Mrs. Oswald.

They went to meetings of some kind together. I don't know what kind of meetings.

Mr. Mckenzie.

Do you know where the meetings were?

Mrs. Oswald.

In Dallas. After they came back from some meeting, my husband said to me something about Walker being at this meeting.
Do you remember going at any meeting with Lee Oswald at which Mr. Walker was present?

Mr. Paine.

No---the only meeting I went to was the ACLU meeting, that I recall.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you recall going to any meeting yourself in October 1963, with or without Oswald, at which General Walker was present?

Mr. Paine.

General Walker was present at the Oswald mentioned the U.N.-U.S. Day meeting held by the rightists, which occurred a day or two or two nights .before the ACLU meeting. He had been to that by himself. I had gone that same evening to a John Birch meeting. We were not together, but they were two things that occurred simultaneously, and that's where Lee, by his report at the ACLU meeting said he was and Walker was there. Maybe that's what Marina had in mind.

Mr. Liebeler.

But you, yourself, don't have any recollection of your ever being at a meeting when he was there?

Mr. Paine.

No; I have never seen General Walker that I can recall.

Mr. Liebeler.

You have never seen Walker?

Mr. Paine.

Unless he was--in a year previous to that I had been to the Indignation Committee meeting--no-- that is the answer to your previous question.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do--to the best of your recollection, you don't ever remember seeing General Walker present?

Mr. Paine.

That's right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Or having been at a meeting at which you subsequently learned that he was present, although you didn't see him?

Mr. Paine.

That's right--I can't remember about the previous year, but I don't think that has relevancy.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, since the time you met Oswald--you were at no meetings at which General Walker was present, to your knowledge?

Mr. Paine.

That's true.

Mr. Liebeler.

Marina Oswald goes on to testify and I will recapitulate part of it, "After they came back from some meeting, my husband said to me something about Walker being at this meeting and he said, Paine knows that I shot him.'"
Do you have any reason to believe that--the first question, of course, is and I have already asked you that and you testified you did not know Oswald shot Walker prior to the assassination of President Kennedy; is that correct?

Mr. Paine.

That's right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, do you have any reason to believe that Oswald might have thought that you knew that he, Oswald, had shot at General Walker?

Mr. Paine.

I can't see how he would have thought I knew that. I just don't see--he might have said something that revealed that and I didn't catch his meaning, so it never sunk in to me at all, that is, to assume that he wasn't lying and that is the only way I can explain it.

Mr. Liebeler.

So that you think that this testimony that Marina has given is either the result of a misapprehension, or a lie on Oswald's part or on Marina's part?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you don't have any doubt about that whatsoever?

Mr. Paine.

I am perfectly certain that I didn't know he shot at Walker.

Mr. Liebeler.

Marina herself goes on to say:

I don't know whether this was the truth or not, I don't know whether it was true or not, but this is what they told me. And I presume she means that's what Lee had told her.

Mr. Paine.

Now, wait--this is--it would be well to check for that "they"---this is testimony in June, you said, and that "they" could possibly be Martin