Mr. Liebeler.

Would you raise your right hand and take the oath, please? Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

Mr. Paine.

Yes; I do.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would you state your name for the record?

Mr. Paine.

Michael Ralph Paine.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are familiar with the Commission's procedure and you have testified before the Commission as I have heretofore indicated, isn't that correct?

Mr. Paine.

I have testified before---yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

You testified previously that when you first met Lee Oswald in April 1963, that you discussed to some extent Gen. Edwin A. Walker?

Mr. Paine.

Yes; I think we did discuss him in passing.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Oswald ever indicate to you in any way that he had been involved in the attempt on General Walker's life?

Mr. Paine.

Not that I remember at all--nothing whatsoever. I think the only thing he did--the only thing that I can remember now, was that he seemed to have a smile in regard to that person. It was .inscrutable I didn't know what he was smiling about--I just thought perhaps it was--the guy assumed it was rapport for a person who was an extreme proponent of a certain kind of patriotism or something.

Mr. Liebeler.

General Walker was?

Mr. Paine.

General Walker was--yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, when you first met Oswald, as I recall, on April 2, I believe it was, of 1963?

Mr. Paine.

You have been keeping up with this--I haven't been thinking about Oswald for a year.

Mr. Liebeler.

You don't have any recollection as to the date at this point?

Mr. Paine.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

In any event, you did meet Oswald sometime in April, for the first time; do you recall whether it was before or after that Walker had been attacked?

Mr. Paine.

I don't recall now; and as I remember--back in the fall--I wasn't aware then whether it was before or after. It isn't just a lapse of memory now.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember discussing with Oswald the fact that someone had shot at General Walker?

Mr. Paine.

No---I don't. That would have led me to think it was prior to his being shot at.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are referring to this specific date. Now, my question means to comprehend any time do you remember discussing at any time with Oswald the fact that General Walker had been attacked?

Mr. Paine.

No; I did not.. I didn't see him--I saw him that one evening, you see, and then I didn't see him for a space of some time.

Mr. Liebeler.

You didn't see him after that one time in April until after he had returned from New Orleans?

Mr. Paine.

I guess that's right.

Mr. Liebeler.

So, that would have been in October 1963?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

On June 11, 1964, Marina Oswald testified before the Commission at which time the following colloquy occurred, as indicated on page 7368 of the Commission's transcript:

Mr. Mckenzie.

Mrs. Oswald, you say, or you said a few minutes ago, that Mr. Paine knew or knows more about your husband's attitude about the United States than you do. Why did you say that?

Mrs. Oswald.

Because my husband's favorite topic of discussion was politics and whoever he was with. he talked to them politics and Mr. Paine was with him a fair amount and I am not sure they talked about politics.
Apparently it should have been "I am quite sure they talked about politics." But, at any rate, the transcript does read, "I am not sure they talked about politics."