Mr. Liebeler.

between Lee and Marina. There was also considerable testimony about their whereabouts and about the possibility that Oswald wrapped the rifle up that evening, but I am not particularly concerned about that. I do want to focus on your impression of the relations between Lee and Marina at that time.
As I recall, the preceding Sunday you had called Oswald at his roominghouse and asked for Lee Oswald and, of course, were not able to talk to him because he was living there under the alias of O. H. Lee. As I understand, on the following Monday Oswald called Marina, as was his custom, and they had a considerable discussion over the use of the alias, and after that conversation, or conversations that took place on Monday, Lee did not call Marina again that week; is that correct?

Mrs. Paine.

That's my impression.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember how many times Oswald called Marina on Monday?

Mrs. Paine.

Well, he called nearly every evening while he was working during the week--he usually called around 5:30, just to talk.

Mr. Liebeler.

But specifically, on this Monday following the Sunday on which you called the roominghouse and asked for him, the Monday on which they had the argument about his use of the alias, do you remember how many times he called and talked to Marina on that day?

Mrs. Paine.

On that particular Monday--only once, I think.

Mr. Liebeler.

Only one time?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Marina tell you, after she talked to him that Monday, what the conversation was about?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes; she did.

Mr. Liebeler.

What did she tell you?

Mrs. Paine.

She said--and I believe I have testified to this--that she was clearly upset. You are asking me what she told me of the conversation?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes.

Mrs. Paine.

I, of course, could tell that she was upset while talking to him, although I didn't understand much of what she said to him, as I was in the same room. She said that he was living under a different name; was angry that we had tried to call him and she said that this is not the first time she had felt between two fires, and I judge that she meant between a loyalty to him and a feeling that what he was doing was not right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she say that this wasn't the first time that she felt between two fires, or did she use an expression that "this isn't the first time I felt 22 fires?"

Mrs. Paine.

"Between two fires," is my memory on that. Twenty-two fires? This is a common expression in Russsian; it's like between the Devil and the deep blue sea.

Mr. Liebeler.

Between two fires, you mean?

Mrs. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, the only problem that I have is that on page 45 of volume 3, of the page proofs your testimony indicates that.

Mrs. Paine.

That's why I would like to read my testimony. That's just incorrect. Between 22 fires--no, no-- this is not it. This should be, "This is not the first time I felt between two fires," which, as I say, is like our expression, "Between the Devil and the deep blue sea."

Mr. Liebeler.

I will correct the page proofs to reflect that on your previous testimony.

Mrs. Paine.

It occurs twice there, I see.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes. Did she tell you of any detail of what the argument was about--what the situation was?

Mrs. Paine.

Well, she said that she felt he should not be using an alias. It wasn't contained in anything that was said, but I got the feeling that she was upset with his doing this or thinking that he should or could do it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she tell you whether or not Oswald had told her why he was using the alias?

Mrs. Paine.

She did not tell me anything about why.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have any ideas as to why he might be doing it?