Mr. Liebeler.
But otherwise, you think that he looks similar?
Mrs. Odio.
They have the same stature and same build and profile. I can say he was standing to the side in the door, and his hair was pulled back on one side.
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you want to run through it again, please?
(Film was rerun.)
Mrs. Odio.
The picture that resembled most, even though his hair was not so cut that day.
Mr. Liebeler.
You have referred to the individual that was walking out of the police station?
Mrs. Odio.
With his back.
Mr. Liebeler.
He had a mustache, and he had glasses on?
Mrs. Odio.
That day he did not have a mustache. He just had glasses, and he would take them off and on. Lee Oswald--Leon is fatter in this picture than what I actually saw him.
Mr. Liebeler.
You think this man standing on the corner, who is No. 2 in Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-B, is the same man you saw walking out of the police station?
Mrs. Odio.
No.
Mr. Liebeler.
It is a different man?
Mrs. Odio.
That's right. The one that is walking out of the door, kind of thin-looking individual, is darker.
Mr. Liebeler.
Is the man that was walking out of the police station?
Mrs. Odio.
You want me to point it out?
Mr. Liebeler.
Yes. Run it back. I think we should indicate in the record there was a confusion in my mind, because I think it is pretty clear that the man that was walking out of the police station is a different man than is in Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-B.
Mrs. Odio.
He looked greasy looking. I will tell you when [looking at film].
Mr. Liebeler.
Is it that man with the sunglasses that walked out of the door?
Mrs. Odio.
That is the picture I see. That picture is what I mean.
Mr. Liebeler.
Yes. There he is again [indicating individual with mustache leaving police station with Carios Bringuier and others depicted on film].
Mrs. Odio.
There he is again; big ears, but from the front, he doesn't resemble it. It is the same build from the back, that thin neck.
Mr. Liebeler.
You think that that man we have Just seen in the picture resembles one of the men that was in your apartment?
Mrs. Odio.
From the back, because I remember that I put the light on on the porch, and I saw them get in the car. I wanted to be sure they were gone.
Mr. Liebeler.
But it is clearly not the same individual?
Mrs. Odio.
No, sir; clearly not the same. I am trying to see something, to put something in paper that would make me remember. [The film was rerun but the witness did not recognize anyone depicted on it except as indicated above.]
Mr. Liebeler.
Thank you very much, Mrs. Odio.
Ruth Hyde Paine
Testimony of Ruth Hyde Paine
The testimony of Ruth Hyde Paine was taken at 11:15 a.m., on July 23, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Wesley J. Liebeler, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.
Mr. Liebeler.
You are quite familiar with the proceedings of the Commission and with the Commission's rules governing the taking of testimony, since you have given testimony perhaps longer than any other witness we have had, so we won't go through all the rituals of explaining the purposes of why I am here, and I will come right to the point.
In the testimony that you gave before the Commission, Mr. Jenner asked you about the events of the evening of November 21, 1963, as regards the relations
