Mr. Liebeler.

How many times did you see these men?

Mr. Pena.

The first time I saw them was in the bar, the two of them. It was in the evening we were having this discussion over the problems of Cuba. The second time was 2 or 3 days later--I am not positive about that--when I saw them pass the bar in a little car.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ask Bringuier to call the FBI?

Mr. Pena.

Yes. What I did was, when I saw them passing in the car--these two men that I mentioned, passing in a car--I went out and took the license number and I gave this to Bringuier, Carlos Bringuier, and I asked Bringuier to call the FBI because I wasn't able to speak English well enough, and that's it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Had you, yourself, ever called the FBI or any other Government agency about these two men before you told Bringuier to call them?

Mr. Pena.

I didn't call anybody before I told Bringuier to call them, the FBI.

Mr. Liebeler.

Are you sure?

Mr. Pena.

I am sure. I gave Bringuier the number and told him to call the FBI because I couldn't speak English well enough.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, do you remember discussing this question with Mr. Logan back in May, and Mr. Logan asked you this question at that time, and don't you remember that you told Mr. Logan that you had called the FBI or the Immigration and Naturalization Service?

Mr. Pena.

No; I didn't, but at that time, I just have said that I called one because it mentions there about the telephone. I just can't remember it now.

Mr. Liebeler.

Why did you ask Bringuier to call the FBI, when you saw these men in the car?

Mr. Pena.

The night that I had the discussion with these two men, I got the impression that they were pro- Castro and probably Communists, so that's why, when I saw them go by in the car a couple of days later, I asked Bringuier to call the FBI to denounce them, to turn them in or denounce them, or to let them know that they were about.

Mr. Liebeler.

Why didn't you call the FBI when you tailed to them the first time?

Mr. Pena.

The first reason I did not call the FBI the first time was because this discussion took place at night and that, as soon as the discussion was terminated, these two men left, and so it just sort of ended right there. Then, when I saw them again, I got Bringuier to try to call them.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Bringuier tell you that he did call the FBI?

Mr. Pena.

He called the FBI right in front of me.

Mr. Liebeler.

Were you there when Bringuier called the FBI?

Mr. Pena.

Yes. I was right there when he was supposed to-have called them.

Mr. Liebeler.

Where did Bringuier call them from?

Mr. Pena.

Called them from Bringuier's store. That's the Casa Rocca. That's right down the street from me. It's 107 Decatur. It's the Casa Rocca. It's a store. That's where the call was made from.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Bringuier tell you who he talked to at the FBI?

Mr. Pena.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did these two men have anything to do with Oswald, as far as you know?

Mr. Pena.

As far as I know, no.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you ever seen them again after you saw them in the car?

Mr. Pena.

No; never saw them since.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you ever been in favor of Fidel Castro in the early times?

Mr. Pena.

I have never been friendly toward Castro. I am more or less pro-Batista.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have any information as to where these two men could be found now?

Mr. Pena.

No; I don't have any information. I am under the impression that one was a Cuban and one was a Mexican because of their method of speaking Spanish, which varies from each Spanish country, like a Cuban speaking can recognize a Mexican by his language rather than his appearance.

Mr. Liebeler.

What is the answer to the-question?

Mr. Pena.

The answer to the question is that I do not have any information as to where these two men can be found now.