Mr. Liebeler.
Did you give Bringuier the license number of the automobile?
Mr. Pena.
Yes; I gave it to Bringuier.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did Bringuier give it to the FBI?
Mr. Pena.
Bringuier gave it to them, the FBI, over the telephone.
Mr. Liebeler.
You are sure that you were present when Bringuier talked to the FBI?
Mr. Pena.
The thing is, I was there when Bringuier made a call supposedly to the FBI, but I can't say and won't say that I know Bringuier was talking to the FBI. Actually, as a matter of fact, he could have been talking to just anybody. That's what he just said.
Mr. Liebeler.
You had that problem because of your difficulty understanding the English language?
Mr. Pena.
The idea is that I was there when the call was made, but I don't know. As far as I am concerned, Bringuier was talking to the FBI.
Mr. Liebeler.
It says here in this report that you weren't even there.
(Discussion between witness and interpreter.)
Mr. Logan.
He is telling me now about all the people that are exiles that are in Cuba. They hollered, "Yankee, no." But that's not pertinent. You want me to ask him again about his being present and see if we can make him remember?
Mr. Liebeler.
Why does he mention this thing about Cuba? He is not one of them?
Mr. Logan.
I dare say it is part of his nature. He is telling me that we have to be careful of all of these people, which we already know.
Mr. Liebeler.
Now, Mr. Pena, did you tell Mr. Logan and Agent De Brueys that you were not present when Carlos called the FBI?
Mr. Pena.
I don't know that I remember telling you that, but I say now that I was present when that call was made.
Mr. Liebeler.
Now Mr. Bringuier said that you told him that one of the two Mexicans had been in the bar with Oswald. Is that correct?
Mr. Pena.
I never told Bringuier that.
Mr. Liebeler.
And you couldn't have told Bringuier that because you weren't even in the bar when Oswald was there and you never saw the man who was with Oswald?
Mr. Pena.
That's right. I wasn't in the bar when--
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you have any knowledge that Oswald was connected in any way with any conspiracy to assassinate the President?
Mr. Pena.
I have no information that Oswald was ever connected with any organization or conspiracy to assassinate the President.
Mr. Liebeler.
Is there anything else that you would like to tell us about this whole affair?
Mr. Pena.
I have no further information outside of what I have already said regarding the two Mexicans.
Mr. Liebeler.
All right. Thank you very much.
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Sylvia Odio
Testimony of Sylvia Odio
The testimony of Sylvia Odio was taken at 9 a.m., on July 22, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Wesley J. Liebeler, assistant counsel of the President's Commission.
Mr. Liebeler.
Would you please rise and take the oath? Do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?
Mrs. Odio.
Yes; I do.
Mr. Liebeler.
Please sit down. My name is Wesley J. Liebeler. I am an attorney on the staff of the President's Commission investigating the assassination
