Kennedy was killed. They got all of that propaganda and all of that film taken of Oswald.
Mr. Liebeler.
You think they should find where those leaflets were printed? This is what you told them?
Mr. Pena.
The little bit I know about the investigation, they even--let me see how to say it. Let me see---they even keep Oswald from killing Mr. Kennedy. From my point of view as an investigator, if they went all the way from that propaganda, from where it was printed, maybe they can put Oswald in jail. Maybe the President not be killed. That was before Mr. Kennedy was killed.
Mr. Liebeler.
Let me ask you this: Do you have any evidence or do you know of any evidence that would link Oswald to anybody else in a conspiracy to assassinate the President?
Mr. Pena.
No.
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you have any information or knowledge that Oswald was involved with pro-Castro people in connection with the assassination?
Mr. Pena.
No; I can't tell you that.
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you have any information that this was a pro-Castro or a Castro plot to assassinate President Kennedy?
Mr. Pena.
No; I can't say that.
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you know whether anybody else in New Orleans has any information like that?
Mr. Pena.
No; I can't say that.
Mr. Liebeler.
What about Bringuier?
Mr. Pena.
What I think about Bringuier? He is just trying to get big name, collecting big name to make himself big when he come back to Cuba. Be one of the bosses. That's my point of view. I told you he don't like the United States and what I told you about; you can bring him here and tell him that Orest Pena told you that. I will stand a lie-detector test and invite him to take one, and I invite De Brueys, too, to ask De Brueys if that's true or not true he went to my place and tried to intimidate me. If he say no, I take a lie-detector test and he take a lie-detector test and maybe you will find one Communist in the FBI.
Mr. Liebeler.
You think that Bringuier is using his association with Oswald to give himself a big name in connection with that?
Mr. Pena.
That's what it is.
Mr. Liebeler.
As far as you know, Bringuier doesn't have any evidence that there was a pro-Castro plot to assassinate the President.
Mr. Pena.
No; I don't know. See, Bringuier know Oswald very well. He told me one time I don't know if that is true or not--he said that Oswald brought him some kind of manual or a book. I believe he still have the book. And Bringuier has his own organization here. They call it--
Mr. Liebeler.
DRE?
Mr. Pena.
Cuban something.
Mr. Liebeler.
Is that the DRE?
Mr. Pena.
Yes; something.
Mr. Liebeler.
Cuban Students Directory?
Mr. Pena.
He said Oswald came to infiltrate in his organization.
Mr. Liebeler.
And that Oswald came to his store?
Mr. Pena.
Yes. That's what he told me. Before, I used to talk to him, go there or he came to my place.
Mr. Liebeler.
You and Mr. Bringuier are not too good friends any more; is that right?
Mr. Pena.
We was quite close until--when they started the blockade in Cuba, the way he spoke about President Kennedy. And I pulled a little bit out. I even used to give him sometimes more than $2. I don't know. He collected to send to Miami, if he don't send it somewhere else. That's what he said.
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you have anything else that you want to tell us at this time, Mr. Pena, that I haven't asked you about that you think we should know about?
Mr. Pena.
No.
Mr. Liebeler.
You can't think of anything?
Mr. Pena.
I tell you, Bringuier don't do many things that he will tell you. He don't like America. Time will tell. He is one of the guys that--do you
