(Testimony of Orest Pena Resumed)
Mr. Pena.
people that I am for sure they are for Castro here in New Orleans. So one way or the other, he was interfering with me somehow, Mr. De Brueys, so--
Mr. Liebeler.
De Brueys was interfering with you?
Mr. Pena.
Yes. Somehow. So one day I went to the FBI. They called me to the FBI. I don't remember exactly for what they called me. So I told De Brueys'--I told De Brueys' or some. body else that I talked to-- De Brueys' boss--I didn't ask them who it was. They was FBI. They was in the FBI office I told the agency there I don't talk to De Brueys. I don't trust him as an American.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did you tell them any reasons why you didn't?
Mr. Pena.
Because he was interfering very close with the organization against Castro. So since that day--we got in a little bit of argument there. We was talking about somebody. The FBI asked me about a man that had been in the group before, about somebody--if I knew somebody--if I knew his way for signing. So I asked De Brueys, "Did I told you about this man?" He said, "No." I got mad. I said, "If you said I didn't told you about that man, I don't trust you as an American, to be for an American." So 2 days later he went to my place of business. He said to me at the table, "I want to talk to you." I said, "Okay, let's go." He said not to talk about him any more because what he could do is get me in big trouble. He said, "I am an FBI man. I can get you in big trouble." But he made a mistake. I had a gift that was with me that was here when he was discussing me.
Mr. Liebeler.
Somebody else was there and heard it?
Mr. Pena.
Yes. He was discussing me not to talk about it. He was an FBI man and he could get me in big trouble. So I talked to my girl friend and said, "Look, I better pull out of this thing. What the FBI wants me is to pull away from that organization and just keep away from those things, politics," so I pull away, and I never did heard from the FBI any more until Mr. Kennedy got assassinated. They left me alone completely. They never asked me after I pulled out of the organization. After that, I never listened to anybody talking about politics in the place. I tried to keep out of it the most I could. They never did call me any more until Oswald got--and then they started coming here talking to me because we was talking about the incident.
Mr. Liebeler.
So your complaints about the FBI here in New Orleans relate basically to the anti-Castro proposition and not to the investigation of the assassination; is that correct?
Mr. Pena.
No, no. That was way before.
Mr. Liebeler.
You don't have any criticism of the FBI as far as the investigation of the Kennedy assassination was concerned except that you just don't like to talk to the FBI any more; is that right?
Mr. Pena.
You mean after the assassination?
Mr. Liebeler.
Yes.
Mr. Pena.
After the assassination, they came and asked me so many times about the same thing, lemonade, it just looked silly to me. They came over so many times, I said, I better do something about it. I called my lawyer and said, "Look! I don't know anything else about this. I want you to go with me there and put it clear that that's what I know about it and I don't want no more part of that." The thing--I got in an argument with one of the men there, the same thing I told you about the printing and the propaganda. I told him how I feel about that. I don't know whether I was right or wrong. He told me that the United States is a big country and it was hard to find. I told him, "I don't agree with you." I told him that.
Mr. Liebeler.
Who?
Mr. Pena.
I talked to the agency about if that propaganda, where they was printing that propaganda, and I said, "Why can't you find that place?" He said, "Because the United States is a big country." I said, "It doesn't matter. Each printing has their own type or letter that can be found somehow."
Mr. Liebeler.
So you told this FBI agent that they should find where the propaganda literature had been printed?
Mr. Pena.
The propaganda that Oswald was giving away. They put that on television about 4 or 5 days after the assassination--Oswald giving that propaganda. They knew that Oswald was giving that propaganda away before Mr.
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