Mr. Liebeler.

That was the time Bringuier had gotten into a fight with this man over distributing propaganda leaflets?

Mr. Pena.

I didn't see the fight.

Mr. Liebeler.

But he told you about it?

Mr. Pena.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you how this fight came about?

Mr. Pena.

Some other Cuban, a friend of Bringuier's, one of the Cubans I placed the bond for, came to Bringuier's store that's what they told me about it, what I hear--and told Bringuier, "Look, Bringuier, there is a man there giving propaganda against the Cuban Society in favor of Castro." So Bringuier came out, but the two men got away, and how they--I don't know what happened, what was the argument, but they got arrested by the policemen.

Mr. Liebeler.

That was the time when you put up the bond to get him out?

Mr. Pena.

Yes; if that's the same time. I don't know if he got in some other trouble like that a different time. I don't know. I put bond for him one time. I don't know if it was--I don't remember exactly.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, the description of the incident that you have given us about the propaganda sounds very much like the one that occurred on August 9, and the man who was handing out the literature was Oswald, and Bringuier was arrested along with two other men along with Oswald. That would seem to place you here in the United States at that time. We can always check what the procedure is on that visa stamp so we can figure out when you left the United States.

Mr. Pena.

You don't need a visa to go to Puerto Rico when you are an American citizen, but the Delta Airlines, if they keep records, can give you the exact date and the hour I left New Orleans to go to San Juan, P.R., last summer. I know it was in August because in August is my birthday.

Mr. Liebeler.

You went to Puerto Rico on your birthday?

Mr. Pena.

Well, I stay there on my birthday.

Mr. Liebeler.

When is your birthday?

Mr. Pena.

August 15.

Mr. Liebeler.

August 16?

Mr. Pena.

Fifteen.

Mr. Liebeler.

I show you a photographic copy of a passport application dated June 24, 1963, and ask you if that is a copy of the passport application that you filled out on or about that day [handing document to witness].

Mr. Pena.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

That is a copy of your passport application, is it?

Mr. Pena.

I believe so.

Mr. Liebeler.

I would like to mark that as "Orest Pena Exhibit No. 1," and I will just write it on here if I may.
(Whereupon, the document offered by counsel was duly marked for identification as "Orest Pena Exhibit No. 1.")

Mr. Liebeler.

I have marked this "Orest Pena Exhibit No. 1," New Orleans, July 21, 1964, and I have placed my initials on it. Would you initial it below my initials just so we know we are talking about the same document.

Mr. Pena.

Over here [indicating]?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; just put your initials on it. (Witness complying.)

Mr. Liebeler.

Now this application also has a part 2, which is required to be filled out by naturalized citizens. That is also a part of your application; is it not? [Handing document to witness.] Is that a part of your application, too, Mr. Pena?

Mr. Pena.

I don't know. Might be. Something wrong here. How--went to Mexico? I don't know exactly.

Mr. Liebeler.

What's the problem?

Mr. Pena.

I don't know. Says here I was in Mexico. I don't know when I went to Mexico. When I got my passport, I don't remember exactly. I believe I got my passport--when I went to Mexico? How come it says here I went to Mexico?

Mr. Liebeler.

You told us you went to Mexico in May of 1963, if I am not mistaken. Is that right?