Mr. Pena.

And the delegate here was Serrgio Arcacha. He was the boss of the organization.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember having your picture in the paper at one time

Mr. Pena.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

In connection with this, on the front page?

Mr. Pena.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

That would have been some time in late December of 1960 approximately?

Mr. Pena.

I don't know exactly.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember that when you talked to the FBI just last month, they asked you when you went to Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic in August of 1963, and they asked you the days?

Mr. Pena.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And did you subsequently discuss that with your attorney, Mr. Tamberella?

Mr. Pena.

Yes. Well, see, why, the reason I took Tamberella with me was because from my point of view, the FBI of New Orleans ask me about the same things so many times that somehow I was mad, so I said-- about 10, 15 times they ask me the same thing over and over and over, and Tamberella is my lawyer, so I went to Tamberella and said, "Look! They look silly to me." They say the same thing so much, so I want to see if I can't stop this. If they come around asking me something else, that's okay, but for the same thing, 1 can't tell no more about that. He said, "Okay, I go with you."

Mr. Liebeler.

Now my reports indicate that Mr. Tamberella called the FBI office back after your interview and told the FBI that you had left for Puerto Rico on August 8, 1963.

Mr. Pena.

August 8?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes. That you were not able to tell them the exact date at the time of the interview, but later, Mr. Tamberella told them :that. That does not appear to be correct, does it?

Mr. Pena.

I don't know exactly. It wasn't in the passport, the date?

Mr. Liebeler.

Well, the date was August 22 in the passport.

Mr. Pena.

The date in the passport was the date I came out of the Dominican Republic, the 22d. I came back on my way back to New Orleans the 22d of August.

Mr. Liebeler.

Let me ask you this--

Mr. Pena.

Yes; might be the day I came out of the Dominican Republic. I don't know exactly. Might be the 8th because I spent 1 week--if that date, August 22, is the date I left the Dominican Republic, might be the 8th because I spent 2 weeks between the two places. Delta Airlines can give you the date of the flight to Puerto Rico exactly.

Mr. Liebeler.

The only way that you and Mr. Tamberella were able to fix the date was by looking at the stamp on the passport; is that correct?

Mr. Pena.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

If the visa stamp is the date that you left the Dominican Republic--

Mr. Pena.

It would be 14 days before that. I went I week in Puerto Rico and I week in the Dominican Republic.

Mr. Liebeler.

If the date on the stamp was the day you went into the Dominican Republic--

Mr. Pena.

It would be 7 days before.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are absolutely clear .in your mind, however, that you were here in New Orleans on the day that Bringuier was arrested in connection with the propaganda demonstration on the street because you put up the bond to get him out. If I told you that that happened on August 9, 1963, that would indicate that you were here in New Orleans at that time and that you must have left some time subsequent to August 9, 1963?

Mr. Pena.

I don't know. It might be another time, but the time I placed the bond for him, I was here because I was the one went up to the first precinct to give the money.