Mr. Liebeler.

Did you tell the FBI agents back in December that Oswald had been in the bar and that you had seen him?

Mr. Pena.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

And that Rodriguez had seen him there, too?

Mr. Pena.

Yes; that's the first time they interviewed me about Oswald.

Mr. Liebeler.

On December 5, as far as I can tell. I have only two reports.

Mr. Pena.

Last year, you mean?

Mr. Liebeler.

In 1963. I have a report dated December 5, 1963, of an interview with you in which you told the FBI that you had seen Oswald in the bar and then I have a report of the interview on June 9, 1964, a month ago, which says that you told them that you never told anybody that Oswald had been in the bar and, of course, that's one of the reasons why we called you in and wanted to talk to you because there is an apparent conflict between the two FBI reports that we have on that question. Now let me ask you this: You have a good deal of hostility toward the FBI, do you not?

Mr. Pena.

We got to talk about something else before I tell about the FBI in New Orleans, so you let me know so I tell about the FBI, what I think about it, if I can express myself well enough to put my point of view about some of the agents of the FBI in New Orleans. Anyway, I will tell you. See if you can understand my view.

Mr. Liebeler.

Very well. Let's get to that later. Regardless of what it says in this FBI report, the fact is, you did see Oswald in the bar and you did tell Bringuier, didn't you?

Mr. Pena.

We was talking about--I know we was talking about it with so many people around there, I can't tell you exactly. I know he knew because we was talking about it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Right. Did you actually see the man who ordered the lemonade in the bar?

Mr. Pena.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Can you tell me approximately when it was that you saw Oswald in the bar? Now in this connection, let me help your thinking about it by reminding you that you went to Puerto Rico on about August 13 or 14, 1963. Was it before that or after that that you saw Oswald?

Mr. Pena.

I don't remember exactly.

Mr. Liebeler.

You can't remember?

Mr. Pena.

No; it wasn't easy then. There was nothing in the incident. He had money to pay for it and we just forgot about it.

Mr. Liebeler.

You can't remember whether it was before you went to Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic or afterward?

Mr. Pena.

No; I can't.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did your brother, Ruperto, ever tell you that the two men who had given you a hard time about the bongo drums had come back to the bar?

Mr. Pena.

He told me something about that he saw the men passing by in a car and he called Bringuier and so Bringuier called the FBI, so they said that they called the FBI.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was Ruperto in the bar when you had the argument with the fellow about the bongo drums?

Mr. Pena.

I don't know exactly.

Mr. Liebeler.

But you say that Ruperto saw these two men later on driving past the bar; is that correct?

Mr. Pena.

I wasn't there that date. I wasn't around there that date. He saw the two men and the FBI told me if I see them coming to my place, to call them. He saw the two men sitting in a car and--I don't know exactly. He went to Bringuier and told Bringuier, so Bringuier called the FBI. That's what they said. I don't know.

Mr. Liebeler.

You have no personal knowledge of any of that?

Mr. Pena.

No. I believe my brother told me he saw the men or something, but I didn't pay no attention about it.

Mr. Liebeler.

There's no connection between these two men that your brother, Ruperto, saw and the man who was in the bar with Oswald as far as you know?

Mr. Pena.

No.