Mr. Rodriguez.

He was huskier and appeared to weigh more than Oswald.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember what color his hair was?

Mr. Rodriguez.

He had a high forehead. you might say. He had this back here, the hairline was right back in here like this [indicating].

Mr. Liebeler.

He had a receding hairline in the front?

Mr. Logan.

He says it's not like yours and mine; it's rather receding on the sides toward--at the front.

Mr. Liebeler.

Off the record. (Discussion off the record.)

Mr. Liebeler.

Now how tall would you estimate Oswald was?

Mr. Rodriguez.

I didn't get a good look of Oswald standing up straight because Oswald was drunk and he was more or less in a sagging position most of the time. Therefore, I-wasn't able to get a good look, but he was a little shorter than 5 feet 8, the height of the other man. He was a little shorter than that, maybe 5 feet 7 or 5 feet 6, but I couldn't tell for sure because Oswald wasn't standing up too' straight at the time. In fact, Oswald came in and draped over the table after he sat down.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Oswald become sick?

Mr. Rodriguez.

He became sick on the table and on the floor.

Mr. Liebeler.

Then did he go in the street and continue being sick?

Mr. Rodriguez.

The Latin-appearing man helped him to the street where he continued to be sick.

Mr. Liebeler.

What was Oswald wearing?

Mr. Rodriguez.

Oswald as I recall, had on a dark pair of pants and a short-sleeved white shirt.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he have a tie on?

Mr. Rodriguez.

Oswald had what appeared to be a small bow tie.

Mr. Liebeler.

Are you sure?

Mr. Rodriguez.

But the thing is, Oswald's collar was open and this thing was hanging from one side of it.

Mr. Liebeler.

It was a clip-on bow tie?

Mr. Rodriguez.

It was a clip-on thing as I recall.

Mr. Liebeler.

When did this happen; what month?

Mr. Rodriguez.

I can't remember exactly, but I know it was just about 1 year ago, and I presume it was in August.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember when Orest Pena went to Puerto Rico?

Mr. Rodriguez.

I don't remember when Orest went to Puerto Rico. I don't recall when Orest went to Puerto Rico.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was Oswald in the bar before Orest went to Puerto Rico or afterward or while he was gone? Do you remember specifically? Do you remember that he did go to Puerto Rico?
(Discussion between witness and interpreter.)

Mr. Rodriguez.

Orest just said he was going on vacation and didn't tell me where he was going.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember when he went on vacation? Think of it in comparison to the time that Oswald was in the bar. Was Oswald in the bar before Orest went on vacation or afterward or while he was on vacation.

Mr. Rodriguez.

Orest was in the bar when Oswald was there.

Mr. Liebeler.

So he couldn't have been on vacation at the time?

Mr. Rodriguez.

Orest was in the bar when Oswald was because at that time, I recall I had to ask Orest how to make the lemonade for Oswald, so--

Mr. Liebeler.

Now .think again, and think if this was before Orest went on vacation or afterward.

Mr. Logan.

The incident, you mean, in the bar? Mr. LIEBELER. Yes.

Mr. Rodriguez.

I don't remember whether it was before or after.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember when Carlos Bringuier was arrested and went to jail?

Mr. Rodriguez.

I remember him being arrested, but I don't remember--I remember when Carlos Bringuier was arrested, but--I was on the street and I saw Carlos. I saw Carlos Bringuier talking to the policeman at the time that