Mr. Andrews.

No; he said he would come back, and he came back, but I still didn't get his serial number and I still didn't get the money.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember specifically that he stated he had a dishonorable discharge as opposed to some other kind of discharge? Do you have a specific recollection on that?

Mr. Andrews.

We call them in the Navy, B.C.D.'s and I associated that. He never mentioned the specific type discharge. It was one that was other than honorable, as we would put it in the legal sense. I just assumed it was a B.C.D. if he was in the Marines or Navy. If he was in the Army, it's a yellow discharge.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you if he was working at that time or if he had a job when he first came into your office?

Mr. Andrews.

Never asked him.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he associate his other than honorable discharge with difficulty in obtaining employment?

Mr. Andrews.

I just don't remember. He had a reason why he wanted it reopened. What, I don't recall. He had a reason. I don't recall. He mentioned a reason, but I don't recall. I was trying to remember where they were seated to see if that would help, but no.

Mr. Liebeler.

Tell me approximately how tall Oswald was.

Mr. Andrews.

Oh, about 5 feet 6 inches, 5 feet 7 inches, I guess.

Mr. Liebeler.

And about how much did he weigh?

Mr. Andrews.

About 135, 140.

Mr. Liebeler.

I don't think I have any more questions. Do you have anything else that you would like to add?

Mr. Andrews.

I wish I could be more specific, that's all. This is my impression, for whatever it is worth, of Clay Bertrand: His connections with Oswald I don't know at all. I think he is a lawyer without a brief case. That's my opinion. He sends the kids different places. Whether this boy is associated with Lee Oswald or not, I don't know, but I would say, when I met him about 6 weeks ago when I ran up on him and he ran away from me, he could be running because he owes me money, or he could be running because they have been squeezing the quarter pretty good looking for him while I was in the hospital, and somebody might have passed the word he was hot and I was looking for him, but I have never been able to figure out the reason why he would call me, and' the only other part of this thing that I understand, but apparently I haven't been able to communicate, is I called Monk Zelden on a Sunday at the N.O.A.C. and asked Monk if he would go over--be interested in a retainer and go over to Dallas and see about that boy. I thought I called Monk once. Monk says we talked twice. 'I don't remember the second. It's all one conversation with me. Only thing I do remember about it, while I was talking with Monk, he said, "Don't worry about it. Your client just got shot." That was the end of the case. Even if he was a bona fide client, I never did get to him; somebody else got to him before I did. Other than that, that's the whole thing, but this boy Bertrand has been bugging me ever since. I will find him sooner or later.

Mr. Liebeler.

Does Bertrand owe you money?

Mr. Andrews.

Yes; I ain't looking for him for that, I want to find out why he called me on behalf of this boy after the President was assassinated.

Mr. Liebeler.

How come Bertrand owes you money?

Mr. Andrews.

I have done him some legal work that he has failed to pay the office for.

Mr. Liebeler.

When was that?

Mr. Andrews.

That's in a period of years that I have--like you are Bertrand. You call up and ask me to go down and get Mr. X out. If Mr. X doesn't pay on those kinds of calls, Bertrand has a guarantee for the payment of appearance. One or two of these kids had skipped. I had to go pay the penalty, which was a lot of trouble.

Mr. Liebeler.

You were going to hold Bertrand for that?

Mr. Andrews.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Oswald appear to you to be gay?

Mr. Andrews.

You can't tell. I couldn't say. He swung with the kids. He didn't swish, but birds of a feather flock together. I don't 'know any squares that run with them. They may go down to look.