Mr. Andrews.

Yes; he recalls. He usually stays with me until about closing time. We review whatever he is doing, and he remembers them as a group.

Mr. Liebeler.

So he was there then the first time they were there? The only time that he was with a group is the first time, is that right?

Mr. Andrews.

Right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you discussed with Miss Springer and Mr. Davis the whereabouts or any recollection they might have about Clay Bertrand?

Mr. Andrews.

They weren't with me, I believe, at the time I knew Bertrand.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you discussed it with them?

Mr. Andrews.

Yes; but they weren't employed by me at the time I knew him.

Mr. Liebeler.

So they have no recollection of Bertrand?

Mr. Andrews.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

When Oswald came into your office, of course, he told you what his name was, didn't he?

Mr. Andrews.

Lee Oswald. I don't know whether that's his name or not.

Mr. Liebeler.

But that's what he told you?

Mr. Andrews.

That's what he told me.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember discussing or mentioning his name to Davis at any time prior to November 23, 1963?

Mr. Andrews.

What the procedure is--I am in a different office now than I was then, and it was a very small office, and they would come into it--well, what I would call my office and they just had the reception room out in the front, and Davis would go out there, and on those matters, it's not a matter that he would be discussing, but probably some words passed as to the swishing and the characteristics that they had, but other than that in the business, unless something is assigned to him, he knows nothing in that office unless it is assigned to him.

Mr. Liebeler.

So you say you probably did not mention Oswald's name to Davis?

Mr. Andrews.

I probably did not, other than we commented on the group in general, but none of the business that was involved or any names.

Mr. Liebeler.

Is it an extraordinary thing for a bunch of gay kids to come into your office like that, or did they come from time to time?

Mr. Andrews.

Well, let's see. Last week there were six of them in there. Depends on how bad the police are rousing them. They shoo them in. My best customers are the police. They shoo them into the office. God bless the police.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever know a man by the name of Kerry Thornley as one of these gay kids?

Mr. Andrews.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you ever beard of Thornley?

Mr. Andrews.

No; I represent them and that's about all there is to it. When they owe me money, I know where to go grab them, and that's about as far as it goes. Is he supposed to be down here?

Mr. Liebeler.

Thornley?

Mr. Andrews.

Yes; I can find out if he ever made the scene here real easy.

Mr. Liebeler.

No; he is not in New Orleans, I don't think, at the moment. When Oswald told you about his discharge, did he tell you what branch of the service he had been in?

Mr. Andrews.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you why he got discharged?

Mr. Andrews.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you what kind of a discharge he had?

Mr. Andrews.

He told me he was. dishonorably discharged. That's what I call a yellow sheet discharge. I told him I needed his serial number, the service he was in, the approximate time he got discharged, and, I think, $15 or $25, I forget which, and to take the service, his rate or rank, the serial number, and to write to the Adjutant General for the transcript of the proceedings that washed him out so that they could be examined and see if there was any method of reopening or reconsideration on the file.

Mr. Liebeler.

But he did not tell you any of those things?