Mr. Liebeler.

When you say he didn't swish, what do you mean by that?

Mr. Andrews.

He is not effeminate; his voice isn't squeaky; he didn't walk like or talk like a girl; he walks and talks like a man.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you notice anything about the way he walked? Was there anything striking about the way he carried himself?

Mr. Andrews.

I never paid attention. I never watched him walk other than into and out of the office. There's nothing that would draw my attention to anything out of the ordinary, but I just assumed that he knew these people and was running with them. They had no reason to come. The three gay kids he was with, they were ostentatious. They were what we call swishers. You can just look at them. All they had to do was open their mouth. That was it. Walk, they can swing better than Sammy Kaye. They do real good. With those pronounced ones, you never know what the relationship is with anyone else with them, but I have no way of telling whether he is gay or not, other than he came in with what they call here queens. That's about it.

Mr. Liebeler.

You have never seen any of these people since that first day they came into your office with Oswald, that first day and when you saw them down at the police station?

Mr. Andrews.

The three queens? The three gay boys? No; I have never seen them.

Mr. Liebeler.

There were just three of them?

Mr. Andrews.

The Latin type. Mexicanos will crop their hair and a Latin won't, so I assume he is a Mex.

Mr. Liebeler.

So altogether there were five of them that came into the office?

Mr. Andrews.

Five. The only other thing that shook me to my toes--you have the other part--the Secret Service brought me some things. They don't have the complete photograph. They have another photograph with the two Realpey sisters. They are actually in the office, and that shook me down to my toes pretty good.

Mr. Liebeler.

[handing picture to witness]. The 'picture you refer to might be Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-B. Is that the one?

Mr. Andrews.

Yes, this is it. Victoria Realpey-Plaza and her sister Marguerite Realpey-Plaza, and I can't recall this young lady's name here at all [indicating].

Mr. Liebeler.

You are pointing to the three women who are standing Mr. ANDREWS. The one facing, standing as you look at it.

Mr. Liebeler.

That's the one you can't identify?

Mr. Andrews.

Yes; I have her file in the office. Uncle is a warden at the Parish Prison here in New Orleans.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you are referring to the three women that are standing at the right side of Pizzo Exhibit No. 453-B?

Mr. Andrews.

The girl carrying the pocketbook.

Mr. Liebeler.

That's the one whose name you can't remember at the moment?

Mr. Andrews.

Right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now this little fellow standing on the far left side of the picture, have you ever seen him before? Is he one of those gay boys who were in the office?

Mr. Andrews.

No; these were all Americanos, these boys. He may be, but he is Latin looking.

Mr. Liebeler.

He looks like a Latin?

Mr. Andrews.

Right. This boy should be able to be found. I wanted to look for him, but I didn't have a picture of him.

Mr. Liebeler.

Who is that?

Mr. Andrews.

The one you just asked me about. If you put some circulars around to have the Latin American people squeezed gently, he has got to be found. They are very clannish. There are only certain places they go. Somebody has to remember him. He can't just come into New Orleans and disappear. As long as he walks the street, he has to eat and he has to have some place to sleep and--but I didn't have a picture of him, and nobody--you just can't do it. But a lot of water has run under the stream. He may or may not be here, but it wouldn't be too hard to locate him, you know, with the proper identification.