Mr. Fenley.

suspicion that somebody is trying to identify in the case or something, and this is precisely why I went to Carter and said, "Why don't you talk to him?"

Mr. Hubert.

In other words even on that day you were wondering whether this man really had seen Oswald or not?

Mr. Fenley.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he mention to you anything about Oswald having come to collect any money order in company with the person of Spanish or Latin American appearance?

Mr. Fenley.

No; he did one thing. and I am really sqeezing my memory here. I believe he said he thought he lived at the "Y" on one occasion, that he came over again---I am not too certain of that because all of this business is really, there is so much of this jumbled up, but I do believe he said he thought he was living at the "Y."

Mr. Hubert.

There was no other person present when you spoke to Hamblen?

Mr. Fenley.

There were people in the foyer of the office.

Mr. Hubert.

But no one in this conversation?

Mr. Fenley.

No one immediately.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Hamblen know who you were?

Mr. Fenley.

I think so, being that I did send the telegram addressed to Time, Inc., and signed Robert Fenley of Dallas Times Herald.

Mr. Hubert.

Did this conversation 'occur after your story had been filed, or while it was being filed, or interspersed?

Mr. Fenley.

Interspersed.

Mr. Hubert.

And he volunteered all of this?

Mr. Fenley.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

I mean the beginning of it?

Mr. Fenley.

Yes; I certainly forgot what preceded his volunteering it, but it was a volunteered thing. Certainly I couldn't have had any information to question him.

Mr. Hubert.

In fact, you did not have any information about this at all?

Mr. Fenley.

No; it took me rather by surprise.

Mr. Hubert.

Now there is one other matter. You indicated you didn't know what day this occurred on, and I wonder if there is any way you could fix it?

It would have been, I suppose, after the shooting of Oswald?

Mr. Fenley.

Yes; certainly.

Mr. Hubert.

How long after?

Mr. Fenley.

It wasn't too long after that. Now I remember one other person who came in, and oddly enough he didn't hear the conversation, but there is sort of a coincidence that at the door was a fellow by the name of Marsh Clark who is also a full-time Time man.

Mr. Hubert.

With what?

Mr. Fenley.

I believe he .is in Detroit or Chicago.

Mr. Hubert.

With what?

Mr. Fenley.

Time. And also I saw that he had a long thick file, and casually inquired who he was with, and it turned out he was with Time also. Marsh, I don't believe in fact I am fairly certain-did not hear what Hamblen had told me.

Mr. Hubert.

Did Marsh Clark come in, or did you see him after your conversation was over?

Mr. Fenley.

Yes; I made myself acquainted to him after the conversation with Hamblen, but he was the only other person that I could identify as being there. I was trying to think by that--now Marsh was still in town, so it must not have been--we could go back to the file on this thing and find that story, and it would have been about 2 days before that story appeared.

Mr. Hubert.

Let me make this point to you. I notice from the calendar that I have before me of the year 1963 that November 28 was Thursday and was Thanksgiving. Could you relate this meeting with Hamblen to that date?

Mr. Fenley.

It seems to me it might be my memory on these things is terrible but it seems to me that it might have been around Thanksgiving, now that you mention it.

Mr. Hubert.

Would you say that it was within the week immediately succeeding the shooting of Oswald ?