Mr. Fenley.

No.

Mr. Hubert.

Just a peculiar art?

Mr. Fenley.

I took it to be certainly the English alphabet, but with a peculiar sort of printing.

Mr. Hubert.

Did he indicate what was the nature of the difficulty that he had had on previous occasions with the man he said was Oswald?

Mr. Fenley.

Nothing other than an indication that Oswald was difficult to deal with.

Mr. Hubert.

But he didn't say how he was difficult to deal with?

Mr. Fenley.

No; not specifically. Well, at this moment I thought, well, this sounds like quite an interesting story. And Humbler gave me his card. So I went home, and the next day--

Mr. Hubert.

How long was the conversation?

Mr. Fenley.

Oh, not over 10 minutes long. I asked him also, which I failed to mention, how could we get the records, or how could anyone get the records, and he indicated it would be very difficult.
Of course, this would be very helpful if you would get the names or the identification of people who had sent any money orders to Oswald, and he indicated that there were so many of that type of money order coming in that they just couldn't keep all the records. And I got the impression that it would be either impossible or almost impossible to run it down.

Mr. Hubert.

You mentioned, I think, that you were particularly interested as to the certainty of his identification of Oswald as the man, and that you made some inquiry along that line?

Mr. Fenley.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

What did you do by way of testing him, as it were, on that identification?

Mr. Fenley.

Well, as I said, I went home that night, and, of course, we don't have we are an afternoon newspaper and don't have deadlines until the morning.
The next morning I went to talk to our police reporter, whose name is George Garter, and I hold him what Hamblen had told me. I said I am not too sure of it. I think it needs a double check. And he said, well, I know the guy.

Mr. Hubert.

Meaning Humbler?

Mr. Fenley.

Yes; he said he knew the fellow over at Western Union, and he said, "I know he is in at Mike's, which is a little barbecue stand across from the city hall." Hamblen would come into Mike's on occasion, and George knew him.
And I said, "George, why don't you go talk to him and see if he will tell you the same thing?" And George did. When he did, we compared notes, and he had told George just precisely, as best we knew, the same content he told me. So George wrote the story.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you yourself make any notes contemporaneously with the conversation with Hamblen or later?

Mr. Fenley.

No; I may have made some at home, jotted down a couple of things on a scrap of paper. In fact, I know I did.

Mr. Hubert.

Is that available?

Mr. Fenley.

I doubt it. I am sure I have thrown it away. I was very interested in the story, but I was sort of afraid to take notes in front of him, since a lot of people will suddenly freeze up when you start taking notes.

Mr. Hubert.

But to come back to the question of identification, I think you mentioned that it struck you that that was the key to the story, as it were?

Mr. Fenley.

Yes.

Mr. Hubert.

Did you press him in any way about the identification?

Mr. Fenley.

Not a great deal. I really, after asking another question about it, saying, "Now you really feel like you saw Oswald," then I didn't press the matter any further, because I was afraid 'he would freeze up.

Mr. Hubert.

I understand too that his identification, as he stated it to you, was based upon comparison of the mental image he had of the man that had come in with the pictures of Oswald he had seen since the assassination?

Mr. Fenley.

On television. And frankly, for that reason, I wasn't too darn sure that he knew what he was talking about. So I mean, you always have this