(Testimony of Dial Duwayne Ryder)
Mr. Liebeler.
after it had been shipped from a mail-order house before it could be used to shoot accurately?
Mr. Ryder.
Yes; take for example, I have a Model 70 Winchester .30-06 caliber with a K-4 Weaver scope; nearly every season prior to deer season I will shoot it in and I have found several times it has been off just by riding in the back of the car. Taking it in and out of a gun case, things like that will make them off. In other words, they are not built so rigid that a little something here and there can get .bumped loose so it would be like I say, he would have to have it zeroed after he received it from the mail-order house, most definitely.
Mr. Liebeler.
If I were to tell you that this particular rifle had been carried to New Orleans and back in a station wagon and had laid in a garage in Irving for 2 months prior to the assassination and had been moved around in the garage, would that lead you to believe it might be out of sight at that time?
Mr. Ryder.
Yes; it could be very possible.
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you think it would be probable or do you have any experience to make a judgment like that?
Mr. Ryder.
Like I say, of course, I take proper good care of the gun I got and I have to readjust it quite often when I shoot it in. Of course, .then again, too, later on, from one season to the next I might change from the way I held my gun which is another thing to make a lot of difference in the way I shoot but one to be carried that far, unless it was really taken care of can very, very easily be knocked out of alinement or out of adjustment. Another thing, too, on just looking at this picture--
Mr. Liebeler.
The picture of the rifle?
Mr. Ryder.
The picture of the rifle that Mr. Horton had; this was a real cheap, common, real flimsy looking--of course, I couldn't tell by just looking at the picture say the type of material it was made of, but to me it looked rather cheap. It would be very easily knocked out of adjustment.
Mr. Liebeler.
You have never been shown the actual rifle itself, is that correct?
Mr. Ryder.
No, sir; I haven't. I would like to see which mount it is, see whose make it is, but I haven't seen it yet.
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you remember being interviewed by an agent of the Secret Service?
Mr. Ryder.
They came out and talked to Mr. Greener rather than myself. Well, I talked with them, too; we had a triangular, circular conversation--Mr. Greener, myself, and the agent.
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you remember the agent's name?
Mr. Ryder.
No, sir.
Mr. Liebeler.
Would it refresh your recollection if I said his name was Elmer W. Moore?
Mr. Ryder.
Doesn't ring a bell.
Mr. Liebeler.
Do you remember telling the Secret 'Service agent that you were certain after viewing photographs of Oswald that you had never done any work for him; in fact had never seen him?
Mr. Ryder.
Not actually in that tone; like I say, like I told all of them that interviewed me, even the reporter, that his features are very common, I say, for the working class in the Dallas and Fort Worth area and he could have been in the shop, sport shop, I might ought to say, and be easily mistaken for another person or another person similar to his features could have been in, but I couldn't say specific if he had been in the shop or not, I mean, that's something I won't draw a conclusion on because like I say his features, face and all is common with the working class here and he could easily be mistaken one way or the other either for him or for another person.
Mr. Liebeler.
Now, as far as outside of the shop is concerned, you see, I'm troubled to some extent because I have before me a report of the agent from the Secret Service and a report from the agent of the FBI. One report says you are quite sure you have seen and talked to Oswald and the other one says you are quite sure you have not seen him. I am puzzled by those statements.
Mr. Ryder.
Like I continue to say all the way through on their investigation, both that Secret Service man and from the FBI that he could have been in the shop; I could have talked to him but to say I had definitely, I couldn't say I have really talked to him.
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