Mr. Ryder.

other words, he had bought the scope and rifle from Klein's and they were shipped together and all he had to do was attach it to this particular gun. In other words, the one he used in the assassination. Of course, they order by serial number.

Mr. Liebeler.

You also testified you did not mount any scope on an Italian rifle?

Mr. Ryder.

Right.

Mr. Liebeler.

You say, that when you mount a scope you do not charge for the process of boresighting, is that correct?

Mr. Ryder.

Actually, it's hard to say, really. At that time we were not charging if we drilled and tapped one, we didn't do it. Now we do charge extra, $1.50 bore sighting.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you recall if there was an extra $1.50 for boresighting indicated on the ticket in question?

Mr. Ryder.

I don't even remember.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember discussing that point with Agent Horton?

Mr. Ryder.

Yeah; we talked maybe we did charge $1.50 for the boresighting. As a matter of fact, I did because $6--or was it $4.50--I don't even remember that now.

Mr. Liebeler.

You don't now remember whether the ticket was for $4.50 or $6?

Mr. Ryder.

That's right, right now, I don't. It seems like to me it was for $4.50 for drill, tapping, and bore sighting. I believe it was for $4.50. In other words, I didn't charge for bore sighting.

Mr. Liebeler.

What do you do when you bore sight a rifle?

Mr. Ryder.

Well, I use a sight-a-line. That's actually three different things but what it is, it's an optic deal made by this manufacturing company that has a little cross hair in it just like a scope. It lays like such instead of like such [illustrating]. By taking a little sprig that fits different caliber rifles, fits in the rifle, you look through the scope and line the four cross hairs together to the center point of the cross hairs. It doesn't zero a gun by any means. It just gets you---oh, better where you can tell where you're hitting.

Mr. Liebeler.

So, you can't really zero a gun any by just boresighting it?

Mr. Ryder.

No; actually, it lines your bore and your sight at one point or close to one point where you can get your point from there without wasting ammunition. If I were to anchor a barrel or piece of pipe in a vise and pick out a spot over there on that building [indicating] somewhere; say, draw a circle and I line this with that and aline the sight, I have a scope or open sight either one, over to that point, I go to shoot at it offhand and there's a different way I hold that gun. This breaks it down to a fine deal where you understand the difference between boresighting and zero. If you been in the army, you know the difference. In other words, this method I was just describing say, to the building, is the way we use the bore sight.

Mr. Liebeler.

But now you have a little machine that does that?

Mr. Ryder.

Yes; we have this little optical instrument we use now which makes it simple and faster.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you ever worked with any rifles that came from Klein's in Chicago or mail-order rifles that came with scopes mounted on it?

Mr. Ryder.

You can't tell unless a man tells you. In other words, to look at one you can't tell any difference in workmanship.

Mr. Liebeler.

As far as how the scope was mounted, you mean?

Mr. Ryder.

Right.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have any way of knowing whether these scopes are boresighted when mounted by a mail-order house or not?

Mr. Ryder.

Most likely they are. Now, I don't know how they operate, if they do boresight any there or not. I do know for a fact if you boresight or zero a boresight on a Redfield base or any base except Bausch and Lomb, other than those, other than the Bausch and Lomb, if you take the scope off and put it back on you have to rezero. In other words, if they did boresight it and take it back off and ship it, it's going to be entirely different when the man receives the gun. It might be close enough for a man to shoot one in but won't be near as close.

Mr. Liebeler.

You think that a rifle would have to be zeroed in any event