Mr. Liebeler.

Could you say you definitely have ever seen him outside of the shop anyplace?

Mr. Ryder.

No, sir; I don't believe I have. I mean I couldn't say specific because back again to the common features, so on and so forth, but, actually, we have drawn a conclusion, of course, that is, I and the boys and people concerned at the sport shop there that it was either this Oswald with another gun or another Oswald with another gun. We know definitely that it was another gun. We know that for sure.

Mr. Liebeler.

And you have already carefully considered the possibility of identifying that other gun but you are not able to do it?

Mr. Ryder.

Right; Mr. Greener called all the other Oswalds listed in the Dallas and Irving directories.

Mr. Liebeler.

He did that?

Mr. Ryder.

Right, with no avail; in other words, nothing turned up.

Mr. Liebeler.

Whose handwriting does the name Oswald appear to be written in?

Mr. Ryder.

It's mine.

Mr. Liebeler.

It is your own handwriting?

Mr. Ryder.

It is my Own handwriting; the whole thing was written up by me.

Mr. Liebeler.

When did you first discover this tag?

Mr. Ryder.

Well, it's kind of funny, actually, how I found the tag. My workbench generally is cluttered up, you know how tools get scattered around and I was--I had been to the Evinrude Service School--

Mr. Liebeler.

Here in Dallas?

Mr. Ryder.

Yeah, at the Marriott over here and we were talking about it that evening and, of course, by the time I got back from the service clinic was just about time to close and we left and that Saturday afternoon I started cleaning off the workbench and I found the ticket of which I didn't say anything to anybody else there and when Mr. Horton came out on Monday, well, then I told him we had a tag. I didn't want to keep anything back but after he showed me the picture and everything I apparently drew my conclusions of not working on that particular gun anyway.

Mr. Liebeler.

How did Horton know to come out to the sports shop?

Mr. Ryder.

Actually, I don't know. He evidently was checking all of the--

Mr. Liebeler.

Gunshops?

Mr. Ryder.

Gunshops and hit us on Monday, well, let's see, it was, oh it was about 10:30 or 11 that morning whenever he first came out.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are not familiar with this particular kind of rifle, are you? You have not worked on any similar rifles?

Mr. Ryder.

Well, there's quite a few similar but this particular one is a real oddity. It's an odd job and I have never worked on any. I have seen several.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you ever broken one down?

Mr. Ryder.

No, sir; never have. As a matter of fact, the only thing I can remember doing is just pulling the bolt back on it and closing it back up. That, to me, is common; I always make sure there's no shells or anything before I look at one. That's the first thing if you hand me a pistol, I kick the cylinder out or spin it through to make sure it's unloaded but this gun is real odd, I mean it's a crude-built gun.

Mr. Liebeler.

When a gun is broken down, by that, I am sure you understand that I mean you remove the action and the barrel from the stock. The rifle then is, generally speaking, in two shorter pieces.

Mr. Ryder.

Right.

Mr. Liebeler.

The two pieces you have are shorter than the gun is when put together?

Mr. Ryder.

Right.

Mr. Liebeler.

That is generally true because the stock of the rifle doesn't ordinarily extend to the end of the barrel?

Mr. Ryder.

Right; now on some military rifles they do extend all the way to the end of the barrel or close to the end, put it that way.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you note in connection with the picture that you observed of this rifle they found in the Texas-School Book Depository Building, did you