Mr. Ryder.

these things and mounts and everything somewhere else and have us mount them.

Mr. Liebeler.

The thing I am working toward here is trying to fix the date, on which this ticket with the name Oswald On it--when the work was done.

Mr. Ryder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

If you mounted, say, 25 scopes or approximately that many during the last 2 weeks of October, isn't it possible that the Oswald scope could have been mounted during that period of time and your boss would not have remembered the name Oswald as being connected with one of those rifles?

Mr. Ryder.

Could have, but like I say, he's pretty sharp. He's pretty smart; I mean in keeping up with the business, you know what I mean. In other words, the flow of the work that I had; in other words, he keeps a close watch on it.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now you stated that the repair tag had a number on it. Are these repair tags taken off a book with tags with consecutive numbers on them?

Mr. Ryder.

No, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Where do these numbers come from?

Mr. Ryder.

We buy repair tags, of course, they have a main base of the tag, just a tag you can tear off and you can tear off--say I have number 41626 of the other piece; in other words, have the right tag on the gun. As far as sequence, we don't use any. We have a box and we reach over, get a tag, put a man's name on it. The same tag is used on reels, rods, outboard motors, boats.

Mr. Liebeler.

So there is no possible way in which you could fix the date by observing the sequence of the number on the tag?

Mr. Ryder.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Could you limit it to a period of 2 weeks?

Mr. Ryder.

Like I say, it would be from the let to around the 14th or 15th of November while the Greeners was away.

Mr. Liebeler.

You said before you were quite sure you never worked on a--

Mr. Ryder.

The Italian gun.

Mr. Liebeler.

The Italian rifle. Do you have any recollection of the kind of rifle that this Oswald tag referred to?

Mr. Ryder.

No, sir; I don't. That's another-place where we did--in other words, I did so many and I was so rushed that I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to what tag was to have such and such a scope put on. That is where actually our fall-down went on the thing.

Mr. Liebeler.

There is no indication on the tag as to what kind of rifle it would be?

Mr. Ryder.

No, sir.

Mr. Liebeler.

Are you helped at all by the fact that the tag indicates that three holes were drilled? Do you ordinarily drill three holes on all rifles?

Mr. Ryder.

We boiled it down to this: That there are two type bases used that have three. The Redfield base and the Buehler base and then, actually. these could go on any gun that you want. In other words, if a man bought a Redfield or Buehler base they can be adapted to any gun with three holes. Now any imported, we couldn't say definitely if it was imported because the Springfield 03A3 requires three holes; the British 303 requires three holes. These are guns they use and that's the only ones we could think of offhand that would require just three holes, so we boiled it down, it was either Buehler, Redfield base or with the Weaver base being on the Springfield 03A3.

Mr. Liebeler.

Or the 303 British rifle?

Mr. Ryder.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

You say you boiled this down in your conversation with Horton from the FBI?

Mr. Ryder.

Actually, this was amongst ourselves, I and Mr. Greener. Actually, there was a lady from the Washington press, of course, I don't know, I forgotten which paper she worked with but she was with the Washington press and we discussed this with her quite thoroughly.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember her name?

Mr. Ryder.

I sure don't. She, in turn, called Klein's and found out the rifle that was used in the assassination had already been drilled and tapped. In