Mrs. Gibson.

Oh, my. Well, it was rather nice. It was clean. There was a living room and a kitchen and a bedroom and a bath, hardwood floors, good paint. It was a duplex. A large backyard. The furniture was rundown but it was usable. All in all it was not a bad apartment.

Mr. Jenner.

What impressions did you get of Lee Harvey Oswald throughout the 3 1/2-month period, as to his dress and his self-respect and care?

Mrs. Gibson.

He was not a very clean person. In fact, I'd say he wasn't clean at all. He seemed to wear the same shirt for week after week. Every time we saw him he had the same clothes on. Fairly clean-shaven, but otherwise he was definitely not a clean person in dress.

Mr. Jenner.

And Marina on the other hand?

Mrs. Gibson.

I'd say she was fairly clean.

Mr. Jenner.

What was Lee Oswald's attitude and his posture with respect to other people? Was he reasonably polite and respectful? How did he conduct himself in the presence of others?

Mrs. Gibson.

It would depend on who the people were. He could be very polite if he wished. He could be very sarcastic, very blunt if he wished. He could be a very friendly person if he wished, and he could be very quiet if he wished. It just depended on who the people were.

Mr. Jenner.

Which was predominant?

Mrs. Gibson.

Oh, I don't know. It was really a mixture. He was easy, not too hard to get along with as far as we were concerned. We argued with him but it was always a friendly argument When I saw him with other people, he was as friendly, smiling, but with his wife he could be very quiet, very brooding. That is about all I can tell you.

Mr. Jenner.

It has been said of him by some people that he was somewhat of an introvert, very quiet, not seeking the company of others.

Mrs. Gibson.

No; I wouldn't say he would seek out company, but when they came or when he went to visit them or us, he was always very--he didn't seem to be introverted; no. He seemed to be quite friendly, quite extroverted, no trouble expressing himself. He didn't sit in silence for hours.

Mr. Jenner.

What about his regard, his attitude toward others with respect to--that is did he let's take your father's folks, did he have respect for your father? Did he like him?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; he liked. my father very much. He had a great deal of respect for him.

Mr. Jenner.

And your husband Gary?

Mrs. Gibson.

I would imagine he did.

Mr. Jenner.

What is your impression?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; I'd say Marina probably liked Gary more than Lee, though.

Mr. Jenner.

Lee did visit at your home?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And he did on occasion seek out your husband?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And your husband occasionally sought out him?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did Lee express any views with respect to others in that milieux, that company, the Halls, the Mellers, the Clarks, Bouhe, the Voshinins, the Russian emigree colony?

Mrs. Gibson.

Well, he liked Mr. Bouhe very much and he expected a lot of him. I think he thought that Mr. Bouhe might be his key to getting a good job. Mrs. Hall now, he liked her, but he said she was a crude, coarse woman. I think maybe he really deeply didn't like her that well. Alex--what did you say his name was?

Mr. Jenner.

Kleinlerer.

Mrs. Gibson.

He didn't like him at all, and the other people you mention, I imagine he has talked about them, but I can't place them, so I don't know his opinion on them.

Mr. Jenner.

These people were trying to help, were they not?

Mrs. Gibson.

Yes; especially George Bouhe.

Mr. Jenner.

What was Lee's attitude toward that effort?

Mrs. Gibson.

I don't know. I don't know why they were trying to help him.