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(Testimony of Everett D. Glover)
Mr. Jenner.
Do you have any impression as to why if you had an impression at all, why this man did not want his wife to learn English? And if so, what was that impression?
Mr. Clover.
Well, the impression I had was simply one of maybe wanting to control her, but I did not think of anything beyond the usual situation which can happen with a man and his wife, where one person of the two is much, is very much the dominating person.
Mr. Jenner.
Did you feel he was the dominating person in the couple?
Mr. Glover.
I certainly did, because in the first place, the story I heard was they were trying to find a place for Marina where she could get away from him, but this later time they appeared to get along, so I assumed she was staying with him.
Mr. Jenner.
What impression did you have of him then and subsequently, as to whether he was a stable person?
Mr. Glover.
I did not think of stability at all, because he was fairly well behaved at the times I saw him. It is true, I did not think he was very candid, but I felt----
Mr. Jenner.
You did not think he was very candid?
Mr. Glover.
I did not think he was very candid, no; but I felt that whatever he was doing, he was able to get along in some way. But I had the impression of his being a ne'er-do-well sort of fellow, who would go from one place to another, never making adjustments very well. I did not get the impression, as I stated before, I did not get the impression of him being violent, which later came out, and----
Mr. Jenner.
Did you have any impression as to whether he was a man who was well-adjusted, poorly adjusted, or otherwise?
Mr. Glover.
Well, in the sense that if a person's whole philosophy of life, what he lives by, is very much in doubt, I would say from that point of view, he was poorly adjusted. From the point of view, possibly of his ability to get along in some fashion, he had one job and he had another job--I mean he apparently worked in Fort Worth and then he got a job in Dallas, and after he left here he went to New Orleans and got a job and he was able to get along in some fashion, but obviously he was poorly adjusted as far as his whole living was concerned.
Mr. Jenner.
Do you have an opinion of how much maturity, a person lacking in maturity, or what view, if any, do you have in that connection, or did you acquire?
Mr. Glover.
Well, in the sense that a person is not mature until he discovers what he is living by, he certainly was very immature. He apparently never did develop any set rules by which he lived by in spite of his purported Marxism. Apparently the dominating thing in this--in his life was that he had grown up in a poor environment, and I am getting this from what I have read in the newspapers. It is sort of hindsight.
Mr. Jenner.
Try to keep that out as much as possible. I am trying to get your impression gleaned from the times you met the man.
Mr. Glover.
Well, I would say that I didn't really have any impression of great instability. But I had the impression that he didn't know what he wanted at all.
Mr. Jenner.
Did you have any impression that he was not capable of knowing what he wanted? I don't mean mental operation. I mean a man whose background was so shallow, and education so limited, that he really had no capacity for determining in any reasonable capacity since, what his regions of reaching and desires were?
Mr. Glover.
Well, I would guess, I thought at the time that a person in his situation who had done the things he did, it looked like if he had never discovered what he wanted to live by by that time, that he probably never would discover what he was going to live by--of course I didn't keep contact with him after this meeting--and, consequently, had no further chance to observe him.
Mr. Jenner.
I am going to talk about that in a moment.
Mr. Glover.
Okay.
Mr. Jenner.
Did you get any impression of him as to whether he felt the world had treated him poorly and he had any grudge as to the world, his lot
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