Mr. Hulen.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, the examination of the receipts for lodging of guests at the YMCA reveal only those entries you have now described and are listed on this sheet of paper with respect to Oswald?

Mr. Hulen.

That's correct

Mr. Jenner.

The years during the years 1962 and 1963?

Mr. Hulen.

Correct.

Mr. Jenner.

And had he been a guest and registered in on any other occasion during the years 1962 and 1 3, would there have been and would there be now a registration entry and a receipt for payment of the character you have described?

Mr. Hulen.

Yes, sir; I am sure there would be.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, we would like the YMCA to furnish us photostatic copies of those five receipts just as you have furnished us a photostatic copy of Mr. Ruby's membership application..

Mr. Hulen.

I would be glad to do it.

Mr. Jenner.

We would appreciate it very much.

Mr. Hulen.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And we can have those this afternoon, we would like it.

Mr. Hulen.

I'm sure we can arrange it and give them to you. Shall I bring them right here?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes; please do and we will give them to Miss Oliver and she can incorporate them in the transcript. I offer Hulen Exhibit No. 2.
To be best of your recollection and drawing on whatever knowledge you have, you don't r all anybody by that name, Lee Oswald, ever having used the Health Club facilities?

Mr. Hulen.

No, sir; not to my knowledge.

Mr. Jenner.

And you know Jack Ruby well enough----do you recall this person Oswald ever having been the company of Jack Ruby at the YMCA?

Mr. Hulen.

No, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

You have seen pictures of Lee Oswald on television and in newspapers and magazine?

Mr. Hulen.

Yes, sir; I have.

Mr. Jenner.

And that person is clear in your mind do you recall his physical characterize?

Mr. Hulen.

Yes, sir; I do.

Mr. Jenner.

So that you are able to say with a reasonable degree of certainty, so far as you are concerned, that you never saw that person using the Health Club facilities and you never saw m in the company of Jack Ruby?

Mr. Hulen.

That is correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell us what kind of a fellow Ruby was?

Mr. Hulen.

Well, I found----

Mr. Jenner.

In your general impression?

Mr. Hulen.

I found Jack Ruby to be friendly and courteous and a well-behaved person. He seemed to have a lot of enthusiasm about anything that he liked. He generated a lot of enthusiasm around that. For instance, any athletic events or sports he discussed--he discussed that with the other members, which is the usual topic of well-known weight litters, for instance, there are several-- Reeves and Stanko and I can name several of them.

Mr. Jenner.

Was Ruby a weight lifter? Did he dabble at that?

Mr. Hulen.

Well, I should define weight lifting and body building. Weight lifting is competing, like you have in the Olympics, which is heavy lifting. In other words, you go to your maximum. Now, in body building, you take a minimum amount of weight and exercise longer--in other words, if you work with the heavy weight you can't work as long with the heavy weight as you can with the lighter weight; and Ruby was more of a body builder. In other words, he, worked with the lighter weights over a longer, period of time. In other words, he was not after, in my opinion, he after after a large body or bulging muscle, he just wants to stay in a good general physical condition.
It wasn't necessary for me to set up any kind of a program for him. He had experience in the past and he knew pretty well what he wanted to do so actually there was very little, if any supervision on my part. He used the facilities