Mr. Jenner.

At the bottom of this form there' is written, "Do not renew," 11-28-63, meaning November 28, 1963. What does that mean?

Mr. Hulen.

Mr. Urquhart, who is our office secretary, laughingly told the stenographer in the membership office that if Ruby ever came back for a membership, not to let him in, not to accept his membership, and she wrote that on there just for her own information. Actually, it was a joke.

Mr. Jenner.

If he had returned to renew his membership, the renewal would have been granted him?

Mr. Hulen.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

It would not have been?

Mr. Hulen.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Why is that?

Mr. Hulen.

I don't know, Mr. Urquhart made the statement that it is, it was----

Mr. Jenner.

Well, I'll try to bring that out, is the entry "Do not renew," of November 28, 1963, is that something in jest?

Mr. Hulen.

Yes, sir. In my opinion, I think he was just being facetious.

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. Urquhart was being facetious?

Mr. Hulen.

Mr. Urquhart was being facetious.

Mr. Jenner.

In any event, Mr. Ruby did not renew his membership?

Mr. Hulen.

No, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

In 1963?

Mr. Hulen.

Not to my knowledge.

Mr. Jenner.

"J.C.", I assume is John Campbell?

Mr. Hulen.

Correct.

Mr. Jenner.

And there appears at the very bottom of the form opposite an asterisk, which in turn refers us to the intial entry fee, there appears in writing, "Wants to pay up in month's time. Okay, J.C." That indicates to me, and would you confirm or correct me that when Ruby joined initially he asked for time to pay up and wanted a month to pay up.

Mr. Hulen.

I think that means that if he made the complete payment of the yearly membership in 2 payments within 30 days, that he would receive benefit of the discount.

Mr. Jenner.

I see, and the fact is he didn't pay up within 30 days, his pay-meat, first payment was made on the 2d of September of $30, and his second payment of $35, was made on November 12, 1958, so you gave him the benefit of the discount even though he didn't pay up in the 30 days?

Mr. Hulen.

Yes; that explains----

Mr. Jenner.

So, he had a full year $65 membership for the year 1958, that is, 1 year from the time he joined which was September 10, 1958, and he rejoined at the same rate on--$65, a year, on November 1, 1959, and then in 1962, he had a $74 membership, which was really an increase in your charge?

Mr. Hulen.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

For 1 year commencing October 1, 1959---but he didn't get around to paying it, apparently until the following spring, which was the $25, on the 18th of April and the $49, on the 3d of August, and then on June 1, 1963, he took out a 3-month or a 90-day short-term membership?

Mr. Hulen.

Yes; a short-term membership.

Mr. Jenner.

That expired on September 1st of that year, is that correct?

Mr. Hulen.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

I offer Hulen Exhibit No. I in evidence. Did Ruby ever live at the YMCA?

Mr. Hulen.

Not to my knowledge.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know whether the records of the YMCA have been checked to determine or confirm that?

Mr. Hulen.

No, sir; I don't.

Mr. Jenner.

But as--at least as far as your personal recollection is concerned, you do not recall his ever having been a guest in what you call the dormitory?

Mr. Hulen.

No, sir; I don't.

Mr. Jenner.

I take it you recall Mr. Ruby using the Health Club facilities?

Mr. Hulen.

Yes, sir; I do---very well.