Mr. Hulen.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And the health club is what sort of activity?

Mr. Hulen.

The health club is a businessmen's club. We have seven masseurs, we have a steam bath, we have a dry heat bath, we have ultraviolet lights and infrared lights, bar bell equipment and a lot of gymnasium equipment, such as jumping ropes and bicycles and bar bells and medicine balls and stall bars and check weights and I could go on and on.

Mr. Jenner.

I think that's enough. You have businessmen who come in, do they join the club or pay a fee?

Mr. Hulen.

Yes; we have a yearly membership fee.

Mr. Jenner.

If some guest who is a guest of the YMCA, wants to have a rubdown, let us say, or he wants to exercise, is it possible for him to use the facilities of the health club without paying the yearly fee?

Mr. Hulen.

Not without paying a fee. He is a member if he lives in the dormitory--he is a member of the YMCA, but not of the health club. So, if he uses our facilities, he pays for them, whatever it might be ultraviolet; steam bath or massage, and would you want the prices?

Mr. Jenner.

Off the record.
(Discussion between Counsel Jenner and Mr. Davis off the record, pertaining to facilities and services at the YMCA.)

Mr. Jenner.

All right. Back on the record. Referring to these yearly members, do you become acquainted with them?

Mr. Hulen.

Most Of them.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you become acquainted during your history with the YMCA with a man in town here known as Jack Ruby or Jack Rubinstein?

Mr. Hulen.

Yes, sir; I did.

Mr. Jenner.

Was he a member of your club?

Mr. Hulen.

Yes; he was.

Mr. Jenner.

And you have produced here for me a photostatic copy of what is entitled and identified for the record, "Membership application," and, it appears to be on its face a photostatic copy of a membership application for one Jack Ruby. From where did you obtain that exhibit?

Mr. Hulen.

From the membership office.

Mr. Jenner.

And this card, of which the document I have in my hands is a photostatic copy, is a record which is kept in the usual and regular course of business?

Mr. Hulen.

Yes; that's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know of your personal knowledge that this is a photocopy of the original of the membership application and card which is maintained and is presently in the possession of the YMCA?

Mr. Hulen.

Yes; I do.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, I would like to have you explain some of the things here for me---on the form, which has been marked Hulen Exhibit No. 1, under the printed designation, "Firm name," appears as typed, "Club Vegas," sir. Would you explain what that is?

Mr. Hulen.

I think if you will look at it a little closer, that is his business address.

Mr. Jenner.

That is the business address of Jack Ruby or Jack Rubinstein. Club Vegas is some kind of a club here in Dallas?

Mr. Hulen.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, or at least it was at the time this application was made out?

Mr. Hulen.

Yes, sir. And is still operating, incidentally.

Mr. Jenner.

And it says opposite, "Type of membership,"--there appear two initials, "SH" what do they signify?

Mr. Hulen.

Special health.

Mr. Jenner.

What does that mean?

Mr. Hulen.

That means all of the facilities will be available to that member except the massages.

Mr. Jenner.

On the reverse side of the card there appears the heading, "Membership account," and then there are columns in which there are long hand entries. These columns are headed, "Date due, amount, payments, card," and some entries. For example, for purposes of explanation, the first entry on the