16. I never personally observed anyone visit Oswald or his family during the time they lived at the above address.
17. Oswald never seemed to respond to greetings from me and seemed to be an unfriendly type of person.
Signed on May 5, 1964, at New Orleans, La.
(S) Jesse J. Garner,
JESSE J. GARNER.

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Richard Leroy Hulen
THE TESTIMONY OF RICHARD LEROY HULEN

The testimony of Richard Leroy Hulen was taken at 10:50 a.m., on April 1, 1964, in the office of the U.S. attorney, 301 Post Office Building, Bryan and Ervay Streets, Dallas, Tex., by Mr. Albert E. Jenner, Jr., assistant counsel of the President's Commission. Robert T. Davis, assistant attorney general of Texas, was present.

Mr. Jenner.

Will you please stand up and be sworn?

Mr. Hulen.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you swear that in the testimony you are about to give you will tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth?

Mr. Hulen.

I do.

Mr. Jenner.

State your name, please.

Mr. Hulen.

Richard Leroy Hulen.

Mr. Jenner.

And you are connected with the YMCA?

Mr. Hulen.

Correct.

Mr. Jenner.

In what capacity?

Mr. Hulen.

I am the associate director of the health club.

Mr. Jenner.

And you are appearing in lieu of whom?

Mr. Hulen.

Mr. John F. Campbell.

Mr. Jenner.

And he is the head of the health club, I take it?

Mr. Hulen.

Correct.

Mr. Jenner.

And at present, he is out of the, city?

Mr. Hulen.

Correct.

Mr. Jenner.

The YMCA that we are talking about is located where?

Mr. Hulen.

At 605 North Ervay in Dallas, Tex.

Mr. Jenner.

We are in the Federal Court House. How far away is that from here?

Mr. Hulen.

Two blocks

Mr. Jenner.

I should say to you, Mr. Hulen, that I am Albert E. Jenner, Jr., a member of the legal staff of the President's Commission, that the Commission was authorized pursuant to Senate Joint Resolution 137, as the group to investigate the tragedy of November 22, 1963, of the assassination of the late President John Fitzgerald Kennedy, and President Johnson in Executive Order 11130, shortly after the adoption of the Senate joint resolution, appointed the Commission and authorized it to proceed and to take testimony and swear witnesses.
We have been engaged in this investigation now for sometime and we are particularly interested in a man known as Lee Harvey Oswald. It is our understanding that he was a guest on some occasion at the YMCA that you have identified. Would you describe your duties and those of Mr. Campbell and describe the health club, and I should also add we are interested in a man by the name of Jack Ruby or Jack Rubenstein, and I may ask you some questions about him as well.

Mr. Hulen.

Well, of course, Mr. Campbell is in charge of the department. He does the hiring and the firing of the employees, orders supplies and supervises the operation in general and I take my orders from him.

Mr. Jenner.

You are his assistant?

Mr. Hulen.

I am the assistant.

Mr. Jenner.

How long have you been associated with the YMCA?

Mr. Hulen.

Well, since 1945.

Mr. Jenner.

And during--you were doing this work at the downtown YMCA?