Mr. Tobias.

Well, I had seen the car there once before.

Mr. Jenner.

At least once?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

It might have been more?

Mr. Tobias.

Well, no, I won't say any more than that, but I know I have seen it there once before that time.

Mr. Jenner.

Had you seen this man there before?

Mr. Tobias.

No; I never seen him before. You see, they can drive right down that driveway and park in front of this door here, and I couldn't see them.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, they could come in from the rear, couldn't they, they could come in off of Davis Street?

Mr. Tobias.

Well, they could come up around off of Davis and come up through here too.

Mr. Jenner.

Did they have anybody visit there, in addition to this man?

Mr. Tobias.

Well, there was a lady came there to see about the baby one day and she said she had got a call that the baby was sick and they didn't have no money to buy it any medicine and my wife took her over there and she said she had been trying to get in, but there wouldn't nobody answer the door and my wife went over there and she hammered on the door and Oswald, instead of him coming to the front door, he goes out this back door and comes all the way around to the front.

Mr. Tobias.

That's right--that's the kind of guy he was, and then there was a blonde headed woman there one time.

Mr. Jenner.

A blonde?

Mr. Tobias.

She was looking for Oswald--for the Oswalds, too.

Mr. Jenner.

Describe her?

Mr. Tobias.

She got in and she went in the house.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you describe her, please?

Mr. Tobias.

Well, I imagine she weighed around 120 pounds and was around 5 foot 3 inches or 4 inches.

Mr. Jenner.

A slender woman?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes; she was a slender, blonde headed--a pretty woman. This other woman that came there wanted to see about the baby, and she was kind of a dark-haired woman and I imagine she would weigh around 100 pounds or 110, but she was rather short, she was about 5 feet tall.

Mr. Jenner.

She was 100 pounds and 5 feet what?

Mr. Tobias.

She was around 5 foot--she wasn't too large.

Mr. Jenner.

She was kind of slender too, then, a little heavier than the other one?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes, she was a little heavier.

Mr. Jenner.

Did either of these ladies identify themselves in any way?

Mr. Tobias.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Did either of them say they lived in Dallas or worked in Dallas?

Mr. Tobias.

Well, let me see there's one of them, I think this dark-headed woman, said she worked here in Dallas.

Mr. Jenner.

Is that the one you described first?

Mr. Tobias.

No; the dark-headed woman--the blonde I don't know about her, the wife talked to her.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you see the Oswalds after they left, after they moved out of the apartment?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes; I don't know that I ever seen him, but I seen her as she went by the house a couple of times wheeling the baby and I didn't even know where they moved to until one night my car was in a wreck and I didn't have nothing and the wife and I walked a lot and I went around the corner and I her upstairs in an apartment window and that was where they moved to. I don't know how long they stayed there. She went by the house not more than 3 or 4 weeks ago here and she had a bunch of men in the car one night and waved---she knew me.

Mr. Jenner.

She waved to you 2 or 3 weeks ago?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you get a good look at her?