Mr. Jenner.

He didn't volunteer it and even if you tried, you couldn't have gotten anything--is that about it?

Mr. Tobias.

His card--when he made out his card--when he made out his card, that's where I slipped up a little, I guess. He made out his card that he was in the service. Of course, I should have questioned him more, which I didn't do, but in the business in the apartment house you get so darned many jokers in there.

Mr. Jenner.

I wouldn't doubt it--was there an occasion when Marina moved out for a short time?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Describe that, please.

Mr. Tobias.

Well, now, this is when I was goofy-headed.

Mr. Jenner.

You mean that followed your accident?

Mr. Tobias.

I hadn't been home from the hospital very long, but we came back from somewhere I don't know where, and we seen a car out there and they were loading it up and the wife jumped out of the car and she said, "Well, I guess the Oswalds are moving. We'll find out."
She goes around and goes in the front door and back down to the door and she meets a man and she says, "What are they doing-- moving out?" And he tells her that he's moving Mrs. Oswald away for a short time. So, I don't know whether it was the same guy or another guy, but anyway, there was a fellow that came around to the front with an armload of stuff--but the man I seen was a tall man, about 6-foot tall and dark complected and a slight mustache. That was the man that I saw.

Mr. Jenner.

How big a man was he?

Mr. Tobias.

He was a tall man--6-foot tall.

Mr. Jenner.

At least 6-foot--he might have been taller?

Mr. Tobias.

He could have been taller.

Mr. Jenner.

How tall are you, Bob?

Mr. Davis.

Six foot four inches.

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. Davis will stand up and he is 6 foot 4 inches.

Mr. Tobias.

He was about like him--maybe a little shorter, but just about that height.

Mr. Jenner.

About that build?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes--just about the same build.

Mr. Jenner.

What did he weigh--a couple of hundred pounds or a hundred and ninety?

Mr. Tobias.

Well, probably a hundred ninety to two hundred pounds.

Mr. Davis.

I weigh about 195.

Mr. Tobias.

That's what I weigh.

Mr. Jenner.

What did this man say?

Mr. Tobias.

He said he was moving Mrs. Oswald for a few days--he told the wife that. He never said nothing to me.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you see the automobile they were in?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

What was it?

Mr. Tobias.

It was a convertible a red one.

Mr. Jenner.

Red?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know what make it was?

Mr. Tobias.

No, I don't--I had seen it there before.

Mr. Jenner.

When did this occur?

Mr. Tobias.

Well, I guess maybe she moved out in March.

Mr. Jenner.

Was--with respect to your illness, was it before your illness or after--before your accident or after?

Mr. Tobias.

That was after my accident. You see, I was goofy-headed right around in that period of time.

Mr. Jenner.

From your concussion?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes; in fact, I have been goofy-headed all of my life, but I was worse then.

Mr. Jenner.

You said you saw this red convertible around the apartment on prior occasions?