Mr. Tobias.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

You recognized her?

Mr. Tobias.

Oh, yes--she was sitting in the back seat. She had the little girl with her.

Mr. Jenner.

Was that a convertible?

Mr. Tobias.

No, no; that was a big car--I don't know what kind of car it was.

Mr. Jenner.

You have seen some pictures of Jack Ruby posted in the newspaper and on television?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

This man that came to move Marina out of there for a temporary visit, did he look like Jack Ruby?

Mr. Tobias.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

How long was she away?

Mr. Tobias.

Oh, she wouldn't have been away, well, I imagine she was gone about 2 weeks. I never did know when she came back.

Mr. Jenner.

She was gone temporarily, a week to 2 weeks, or something of that kind?

Mr. Tobias.

She was gone longer than that--she was gone a couple of weeks at least.

Mr. Jenner.

Did she ever talk to you about that sojourn of hers?

Mr. Tobias.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever ask her?

Mr. Tobias.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Did your wife?

Mr. Tobias.

I didn't ask her nothing.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you know whether your wife did?

Mr. Tobias.

No---I don't know whether she did or not.

Mr. Jenner.

At least your wife never reported it to you?

Mr. Tobias.

If my wife said anything, or if she had said anything to my wife, she would have told me. My wife and I been together 43 years.

Mr. Jenner.

Give me your observations, I know you have already done it to some extent, but give me your observations as to the personality of this man.

Mr. Tobias.

Ruby?

Mr. Jenner.

No.

Mr. Tobias.

You mean Oswald?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes---you saw him off and on for about 4 months.

Mr. Tobias.

Well, now, he was the kind of a guy that went around with his lips tight and if you did say anything to him he would answer you just as darn quick as he could and just be sharp as he could and so he didn't have to do that to me only a couple of times and I didn't say nothing more to him.

Mr. Jenner.

You got the message

Mr. Tobias.

And I figured that if he didn't want to talk to me, I didn't want to talk to him. He come over and paid his rent, he paid his rent and I give him a receipt, and that was all there was to it.

Mr. Jenner.

You never had any pleasantries on that occasion?

Mr. Tobias.

No, no; there was no good morning or no good night or nothing about it, and he would get up and go to the store to get the groceries and she would carry the groceries and he would lead the way.

Mr. Jenner.

You saw that on more than one occasion?

Mr. Tobias.

I saw it a lot of time.

Mr. Jenner.

She did the lugging?

Mr. Tobias.

Yes sure.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he have an automobile?

Mr. Tobias.

Mr. Jenner.

Was there ever any conversation with him or conversation occurred in your presence as to whether he could drive an automobile?

Mr. Tobias.

No---no.

Mr. Jenner.

And when they moved away, they moved away in the perambulator?

Mr. Tobias.

They moved away in that stroller.

Mr. Jenner.

They couldn't have had very much in the way of household equipment?