Mrs. Tobias.

The 27th.

Mr. Jenner.

Of what month?

Mrs. Tobias.

Of November--the same month he moved in, because we still was driving our car, and our car was wrecked.

Mr. Jenner.

So, this occurred to the best of your recollection shortly before the accident?

Mrs. Tobias.

Well it would occur between the 3d and the 27th, because my husband had his accident on the 27th.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, that's over 3 weeks--was it at the tail end of the three weeks or the forepart of it?

Mrs. Tobias.

I don't remember that--I really don't.

Mr. Jenner.

They had been in the apartment for awhile?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes, and here is Elsbeth and we parked here----

Mr. Jenner.

The witness is again referring to the Tobias Exhibit No. 1.

Mrs. Tobias.

We parked here.

Mr. Jenner.

You parked on Elsbeth Street?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes, we don't have garages, so we just parked around over here, and over here in this driveway was this big convertible.

Mr. Jenner.

There was a convertible in the driveway which is located to the rear of the Oswald apartment--you saw a convertible what kind was it--are you familiar with automobiles?

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, I don't drive my husband and I have a different opinion on that, too.

Mr. Jenner.

Did your husband see it on that occasion?

Mrs. Tobias.

Well he did--he said he had seen it, but I thought it was a light car, a cream color.

Mr. Jenner.

A cream-colored car?

Mrs. Tobias.

I thought it was.

Mr. Jenner.

Was it a sedan, two-door or four-door?

Mrs. Tobias.

It was a convertible is what it was with the top back--the top was back and there was a baby bed in that convertible and then there was some clothing in there, and when we stopped up there, I said to my husband, "I think someone is moving out." Now, he went over home I thought he did and I said, "I think I'll go over and check."

Mr. Jenner.

Did you do so?

Mrs. Tobias.

I walked in the hallway and as I walked in the hallway a fellow came out----

Mr. Jenner.

What did he look like?

Mr. Jenner.

I just want your view.

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, .he was a pretty-good-sized fellow--he was larger than Oswald.

Mr. Jenner.

A big man?

Mrs. Tobias.

He was larger than Oswald.

Mr. Jenner.

What would you say he weighed?

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, I'm poor judging that, too.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, I'm going to stand up. I'm 5 foot 11 inches and I weigh about 153 pounds.

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, he could have been a little heavier than you.

Mr. Jenner.

A little taller?

Mrs. Tobias.

He could have been a little taller and a little heavier.

Mr. Jenner.

As tall as 6 foot 6?

Mrs. Tobias.

I doubt if he was--you are how much--5 what?

Mr. Jenner.

I am 5 feet 11 inches---one inch shorter than 6 feet.

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, he could have been right around there.

Mr. Jenner.

But heavier than I am?

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, I believe he was heavier than you.

Mr. Jenner.

What color hair did he have?

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, he had dark hair--kind of brown, I guess, and when I walked in the hallway he walked out. I said, "What's coming off?" He said, "Mrs. Oswald is going away for a while or moving out" or something like that that's that's way he said it.