Mrs. Tobias.

Yes; she was facing me.

Mr. Jenner.

Up near her eye?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes. And her eye was dark and we told her that--we spoke to her.

Mr. Jenner.

What did she say?

Mrs. Tobias.

We told her what we had come for, that over in the other building in the closets there was this vacuum cleaner and if she ever wanted to use it, she could come over and my husband told her--he said, "If you don't know where it is, come to my door and I will show you."

Mr. Jenner.

Did she understand what you were saying?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes, she did. She understood--we made her understand, so I don't know when they came for the sweeper, but they always would come together and get that sweeper--you could hear them in the hall--they were right at my door. He would always come with her when she come to get the sweeper. He never seemed to want that woman to be out of his sight when he was around, but that's the only marks. Now, she seemed to be okay and I just looked in her door--I never was in her hour.

Mr. Jenner.

How did you find her apartment on that look in?

Mrs. Tobias.

My husband doesn't clean--he said it wasn't very clean.

Mr. Jenner.

It was not?

Mrs. Tobias.

Not too clean, my husband said it wasn't too clean.

Mr. Jenner.

And was there anything out of the ordinary? I assume tenants leave your premises and the apartments are not too clean, and this is not an extraordinary experience, is it?

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, it's just not picked up and cleaned up and swept up like it should be. We require them to use the vacuum and leave it like they find it.

Mr. Jenner.

But there was nothing in the way of broken furniture or gouged out walls?

Mrs. Tobias.

No, just that door.

Mr. Jenner.

Just the pane in the door?

Mrs. Tobias.

Yes that pane in the back door had to be replaced.

Mr. Jenner.

Did this man drive an automobile?

Mrs. Tobias.

No, he didn't own one while he was there?

Mr. Jenner.

Did he drive one?

Mrs. Tobias.

No; I never seen him with one.

Mr. Jenner.

You never saw him drive one in your life?

Mrs. Tobias.

No; I never saw him drive an automobile in my life. He was always walking when I've seen him and they would go for a walk and maybe for groceries, and she would always be carrying that baby. He never carried that baby. She would always carry that child. That baby was real frightened. Now, my husband is just real fond of children and they take up with my husband real easy, but this child was always too frightened and it always seemed to be so frightened and never seemed to want anyone near it. It always seemed to be such a frightened child.

Mr. Jenner.

Did Mrs. Oswald occupy this apartment with her husband during all the period, November 3, 1962, to and including March 3, 1963?

Mrs. Tobias.

Well---do you want me to tell you something that happened?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Tobias.

We had gone out for a ride on a Sunday afternoon and when we came back, there was a car in the driveway.

Mr. Jenner.

Excuse me, this is Mr. Davis from the State of Texas attorney general's office.

Mr. Davis.

How are you--nice to see you.

Mrs. Tobias.

Okay.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, go right ahead.

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, when we came up

Mr. Jenner.

This was on Sunday?

Mrs. Tobias.

Sunday afternoon.

Mr. Jenner.

How long after they moved in?

Mrs. Tobias.

Well, I just don't know--but that's what I told those gentlemen, but it was before my husband was in accident accident, I know.

Mr. Jenner.

And your husband was in the accident when?