Mr. Glover.

(Comments off the record.)

Mr. Glover.

Maybe she would be 130 or so. Maybe she weighed a little bit more than that.

Mr. Jenner.

Did Mr. De Mohrenschildt speak to you of his background?

Mr. Glover.

He spoke somewhat of it. I didn't get a very clear picture of the exact tracings of his background. I got a picture of him having been born in Sweden. He said he came from Sweden. And having lived in Russia for a short time, and then having left there. And the next thing I remember him saying was that he fought with the Polish National Army sometime in the Second World War, and had left the army. Now I am not quite sure when that was, when the army was disbanded, when Hitler invaded, or some other time. I am not sure. It must have been then, I guess, but that is the hazy impression I have of that part of it.

Mr. Jenner.

At the time of the invasion of Poland by Hitler, which was roughly September of 1939, De Mohrenschildt then left Poland?

Mr. Glover.

Well, he left the Polish Army at the same time. I really don't know for sure when that was. I didn't think very much about it.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he say he came directly to this country at that time?

Mr. Glover.

I do not have any impression of him saying he came directly here, no. The next thing I remember about his telling his background was that he came here to this country.

Mr. Jenner.

Here in Texas?

Mr. Glover.

First he came to New York, according to his story. And I remember one comment he made about that. He was wined and dined and passed around to people who he knew in some way, and this was fine, but when he came to find a job, he had a lot of trouble. And the next period I remember is that he was at the University of Texas, and I assume he was going to school and got a degree in petroleum engineering.

Mr. Jenner.

But you are not so sure about that? You have the impression that he was a person who had the benefit of higher education?

Mr. Glover.

Yes; I assumed that he had had at least some school knowledge of the subject of petroleum engineering or petroleum in general.

Mr. Jenner.

He did say that he attended the university in this State?

Mr. Glover.

Yes; he said he attended the University of Texas, I am quite sure. At least I got that impression. I am not sure of his exact words. He talked about being a student, so I guess I just assumed that. I don't know whether he said specifically he attended as a full-time student.

Mr. Jenner.

Describe George De Mohrenschildt.

Mr. Glover.

He is a heavy set rather Mr. Atlas type.

Mr. Jenner.

Atlas or Adonis?

Mr. Glover.

I notice that he is still around, Mr. Atlas. Very healthy looking specimen. Tall and heavy set. Little bit clumsy in his movements.

Mr. Jenner.

A big man, in other words?

Mr. Glover.

Big man, yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And handsome?

Mr. Glover.

Well, that is a matter of what you call handsome.

Mr. Jenner.

You described him in that respect.

Mr. Glover.

Well, I think he was a, he might be called handsome by somebody. I would call him a good heavy-looking physical specimen.

Mr. Jenner.

Color of hair?

Mr. Glover.

Hair was some kind of brown.

Mr. Jenner.

Had a good crop of hair?

Mr. Glover.

Yes; a lot of curly, wavy hair.

Mr. Jenner.

What about his personality?

Mr. Glover.

He was a very great mixture of things.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell us about it.

Mr. Glover.

He was a very cynical sort of person. He was a Bohemian sort of person.

Mr. Jenner.

What do you mean by that? I think I know what you mean, but what do you mean by "Bohemian type of person"?

Mr. Glover.

I mean he lived the kind of life where he went the way he