Mr. Glover.

a later time, from things that were said, I am quite sure that she referred to that time when she worked, yes, here in Dallas.

Mr. Jenner.

Give me your general impression of her. What kind of person was and is she?

Mr. Glover.

Well, the most obvious thing about her that I can recall was her very, very great desire to help and dominate people, to help solve their problems, is the thing that always impressed me about her.
She had one daughter, which I haven't mentioned, apparently by this previous marriage, who grew up and who I met one time when she was passing through.

Mr. Jenner.

That is, passing through Dallas?

Mr. Glover.

With her husband. That was during the later period.

Mr. Jenner.

She was married and lived somewhere else in this country?

Mr. Glover.

All I know is that daughter and husband came from a Mexican trip and were going to Alaska.
And she had this one daughter who she talked very much about, how she had brought her up and so forth, and she seemed to have a desire to sort of help people out and sort of arrange their affairs.
She tried one time to give me advice on my family situation, at which time, as one would say, I told her off, told her that I had my own ideas about what I wanted to do about the situation and was not interested in hers at all. But that is the most outstanding impression I have of her, always trying to do something for someone, arrange things in some way, sort of an overdeveloped mother tendency, to me.

Mr. Jenner.

Describe the physical characteristics of her, please.

Mr. Glover.

Physically, I am depending somewhat on some pictures she showed. According to her, when she showed pictures in the album.

Mr. Jenner.

I don't mean--are you relating to the pictures to describe Mrs. De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Glover.

No; well, I will just leave that out, if you prefer.

Mr. Jenner.

Describe the physical characteristics of Mrs. De Mohrenschildt as you knew her, saw her.

Mr. Glover.

Well, she was a person who looked in fairly good physical shape.

Mr. Jenner.

About how old?

Mr. Glover.

She looked like she was about 40 years old. She was accumulating fat on her body which was very noticeable. We played tennis all the time, and she looked like someone fortyish and was beginning to get quite a lot of fat.

Mr. Jenner.

What about coloration?

Mr. Glover.

Color of hair was brown, medium brown. I don't remember people's eyes very well. It sort of seems to me like they were blue. I am not sure. Her height was medium height.

Mr. Jenner.

Medium for a woman and medium for a man differ--what would you say, five two, or five three or five five?

Mr. Glover.

I am not very conscious. I would say five five or five six, maybe.

Mr. Jenner.

Miss Reporter, would you please stand and tell us how tall you are?
The REPORTER. I am five two and a half in my stocking feet and about five five with heels.

Mr. Jenner.

Having observed the reporter, what is your present recollection about Mrs. De Mohrenschildt's height. Is she taller or shorter?

Mr. Glover.

I would say her height without her heels or anything was at least as tall as she is standing now, would be five five or five six which I said, or possibly taller than that. I am not very sure.

Mr. Jenner.

But she was inclined to be on the heavy side?

Mr. Glover.

Slightly. She was getting heavy.

Mr. Jenner.

What would you say she weighed, offhand?

Mr. Glover.

She talked about that when we were playing tennis. I can't remember. I really don't know. Maybe, I would say, 110 to 120, or so.

Mr. Jenner.

She was five five and she weighed 110 pounds? She would be awfully thin.

Mr. Glover.

Well, she must have weighed more than that. I am not very conscious about that.