Mr. Taylor.

Uh--yes, he did. On two occasions. And, on the second one, I think I got in the car and took it to him.

Mr. Jenner.

Uh-huh. He called you on the telephone?

Mr. Taylor.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, before I go to the De Mohrenschildts, I'd like you now to give me now that we've had this discussion between us--your impressions of the Oswalds individually.
(Off-the-record discussion followed.)

Mr. Taylor.

Uh--my impression, first, of Lee would be that--uh--he was, first, rather confused, particularly, politically. He wanted to be well-informed and an idealist. He considered himself well-informed. I don't think he was even very knowledgeable on the subject.
In our conversations, when I would take exception to something he had said and argue a point with him, why, superficially, he could make a statement or support an idea that is commonly regarded in some areas as being true--such as, well, the Republican and Democratic Parties have different ideas on how things should be done just as democracy and communism have.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mr. Taylor.

And he could present Communist ideas to a point that it was very superficial--and when you started digging down in to the meat of the subject, why, Lee was through.
He seemed to have perhaps read quite a bit of political philosophy, but when it came to really understanding it, he couldn't present a very good case for it.

Mr. Jenner.

Was he emotional in that respect?

Mr. Taylor.

He would--uh--not any more so than anyone else you would get into a political discussion with. This seems to be a fairly emotional subject on everyone's part.

Mr. Jenner.

You didn't regard him as a vicious type as a man who would think in terms of inflicting bodily harm if frustrated?

Mr. Taylor.

Uh--well, I thought of him as a man who--uh--would kick a dog or beat his wife, but--uh--I was never afraid of him because I never felt like that he would attack anything his equal.

Mr. Jenner.

You were a bigger man than he, weren't you?

Mr. Taylor.

Well, even a person even a grown human being, any male, I wouldn't ever have expected this of him.

Mr. Jenner.

Regardless of size?

Mr. Taylor.

Regardless of size.
Anything that could present a forceful retaliation, why, I would not have expected him to----

Mr. Jenner.

Was he mild-mannered, or----

Mr. Taylor.

He tended to be, in temperament, a little hot; but there was a very definite limit to it even suggesting some inner cowardness.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever have occasion to observe Marina When she had any black and blue marks on her person?

Mr. Taylor.

[Pausing before reply.] No.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he ever mention the Kennedys or the Connallys?

Mr. Taylor.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he ever mention the administration of either of them or their policies?

Mr. Taylor.

Uh--no; I'm not even sure that Connally was in office at that time.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, he was Secretary of the Navy.

Mr. Taylor.

That's right. I was thinking of him as Governor.
I never heard Lee take exception to Government officials; take exception to Government policies--definitely----

Mr. Jenner.

We all do this sometimes but never to the human being that might formulate them. Just to the policy itself. Did he ever mention Jack Ruby or Jack Rubenstein in your presence?

Mr. Taylor.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Was he a drinking man?

Mr. Taylor.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Give me as best you can now recall--did you ever loan him any money or give him any money?