(Testimony of Raymond Franklin Krystinik)
Mr. Krystinik.
about it on the radio and television, it is actually hard to strain out exactly who said what. I know that he had gotten Communist literature, and I can't remember whether it was from Michael or from the news media that I heard this.
Mr. Liebeler.
Can you recall any other discussions between Michael Paine and yourself, concerning Lee Oswald that occurred prior to the assassination?
Mr. Krystinik.
No, sir; not really.
Mr. Liebeler.
The occasion that you met Oswald at the ACLU meeting was the only time at which you ever met Oswald, is that correct?
Mr. Krystinik.
Yes.
Mr. Liebeler.
You mentioned that you had met Marina Oswald and child prior to that time.
Mr. Krystinik.
Yes; Michael had bought an old blue--he had a French Citroen automobile. At any rate, he had the two cars and he wanted me to drive either his car home or follow him home in my car. And he was taking the Oldsmobile to Irving and I followed him in my car and took him back to the research laboratory and picked up his Citroen. At any rate, when I drove the car in, he went into the house and brought Ruth out and Marina. And all I remember is one little girl. I didn't see the baby. The little girl came out with her mother and Ruth introduced me to Marina. She impressed me at the time as very sweet and very polite. I spoke as slowly and as distinctly as I could to her in English, Texan to be exact, and she turned to Marina--Marina turned to Ruth and spoke to her in Russian, and I asked Ruth if I was talking too fast, and Marina said I am talking too Texan.
At any rate, that was about it. I told her that she had a beautiful little girl and hoped that she would like the United States. And she commented that she did, that it was a wonderful country. That I can remember for sure. That impressed me, because it seems that where there is a possibility of a Russian saying something nice, it is nice to have a compliment. At least I felt complimented.
Mr. Liebeler.
Marina indicated that to you in English, is that correct?
Mr. Krystinik.
I can't remember whether it was the words, but that was the way I took it to be. It was my thinking, yes.
Mr. Liebeler.
Did Marina understand the remarks that you had made to her in English?
Mr. Krystinik.
Apparently she followed the trend, but she turned to Ruth for exact interpretation, and Ruth told me that I wasn't talking too fast, just too Texan. That was Marina's comment.
At first I was talking just to Marina back and forth, and she said just a few words, and I asked her how old the child was, and if I remember exactly, 2 or 3. I have forgotten. But one- or two-word answers, and, I had no trouble at all understanding her up to that point. When Ruth entered into the conversation, she turned and relied directly and totally upon Ruth. I talked to her only about 5 minutes in all. I talked with her while Ruth was looking at the car with Michael. I mean I talked to her rather than with her.
Mr. Liebeler.
This was after Marina had given birth to the second child, is that correct?
Mr. Krystinik.
Yes; seemed like only a week or 2 weeks.
Mr. Liebeler.
Was there any discussion of Lee Oswald at that time?
Mr. Krystinik.
No, sir; his name wasn't mentioned. I hadn't met him at that time.
Mr. Liebeler.
Have you ever met Lyman Paine? That would be Michael's father. Did you ever discuss Lyman Paine with Michael?
Mr. Krystinik.
Only once. We talked about him a couple of times, but one time Michael, just prior to Michael buying the land in Irving for his future shop.
Mr. Liebeler.
Can you tell us approximately when that was?
Mr. Krystinik.
No, sir; I can't remember, but it was about a week prior to his buying the land.
Mr. Liebeler.
I see.
Mr. Krystinik.
I can fix the time. He had commented that he had been invited by his father to the west coast for the weekend.
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