Mr. Liebeler.

He didn't tell you how much he was paid or what kind of Job he had?

Mr. Krystinik.

Well, he didn't. Michael, I believe, told me afterwards, if I remember correctly, that he was doing something in an electronic firm or electrical industry.

Mr. Liebeler.

But Oswald himself told you nothing about his stay in the Soviet Union other than you have already told us?

Mr. Krystinik.

Basically.

Mr. Liebeler.

What happened after the meeting was over?

Mr. Krystinik.

As we were going out, I commented to Michael that we were going to have to set this boy up in business and convert him. And he said that the only thing he approached humor, he commented, "The money might corrupt me." I can remember that as a quote.

Mr. Liebeler.

That is what Oswald said?

Mr. Krystinik.

That is what Oswald said.

Mr. Liebeler.

He said that in a joking manner?

Mr. Krystinik.

In a joking manner.

Mr. Liebeler.

Other than that, however, Oswald did not indicate any particular sense of humor to you?

Mr. Krystinik.

No humor. He indicated no violence. He impressed me as being cold. You can talk to some people and say they are warm and sincere. He impressed me as being cold and stereotyped. He had fixed notions in his head, and I had the impression he had his mind made up regardless of how good an argument you presented. His mind was made up that he was not going to admit, regardless of how strong it was.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you subsequently discuss with Michael Paine your argument with Oswald?

Mr. Krystinik.

Yes; I did.

Mr. Liebeler.

Prior to the assassination?

Mr. Krystinik.

Prior to the assassination.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would you tell us generally what you said and what Michael said?

Mr. Krystinik.

Michael said that he knew of what was coming, so he went on off and talked with my wife and with another fellow. There was no point in him sticking around. He knew Oswald had a closed mind.
He didn't say, "closed mind." Michael is a rather unusual type of person. He is careful not to overly, severely criticize anyone or make unkind comments about other people, even though he himself has sensitive emotions and feels--you have talked with him. I guess you have the same impression.

Mr. Liebeler.

Is that all that you and Michael said about your (conversation) discussion with Oswald?

Mr. Krystinik.

With reference to this conversation, I related to him just about what Oswald had said to me. It wasn't exactly in detail. I didn't talk about him, as long about the actual conversation, as I have talked to you. He said that he knew how it was going to go and there wasn't any point in his staying around. He knew how Oswald would react.

Mr. Liebeler.

He indicated to you that he had had previous similar experiences?

Mr. Krystinik.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you about this in specific detail?

Mr. Krystinik.

Only that he argued with him and the man loved to talk economics, and that at first he was very, very interesting to talk to, but that once the man had said all that he wanted to, or all that he was particularly interested in, it was then a repeat, and that it was always all locked in in a small little body, that he didn't particularly have any area for growth, that he had a certain fixed image in his mind, and was reluctant to have it improved or changed.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did Michael indicate to you that Oswald received any periodicals or literature concerning economic or social and political questions of the time that you discussed?

Mr. Krystinik.

Prior to the assassination, no, he didn't. I am trying to--I forget now exactly--I have read the newspapers and I heard so darn much