Mr. Liebeler.

been marked as Exhibit 2 on this deposition is similar to or different from the string that was used to tie this package up when you saw it in the garage, if you remember?

Mr. Paine.

I don't remember exactly. I think this is a very good candidate again. I remember thinking it was wrapped in a twine, by which I meant it was not wrapped in a cotton, tight wound expensive cotton, string. I didn't think it was wrapped, didn't have in mind the manila type or sisal type. This is the right strength. I can't actually remember whether it was or not.

Mr. Liebeler.

It appears to be similar?

Mr. Paine.

That is about as good as could come to my memory.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was there just one string wrapped on the blanket?

Mr. Paine.

No; I think it was wrapped at both ends.

Mr. Liebeler.

With two strings?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Well now this blanket has a pin in one end. I call your attention to that, the blanket which is Commission Exhibit 140. Did you notice that pin?

Mr. Paine.

No; I don't think so.

Mr. Liebeler.

Present in the blanket at the time it was in your garage?

Mr. Paine.

No; I don't think I do.

Mr. Liebeler.

I am going to lay the blanket out here on the conference table and I am going to produce Commission Exhibit 139 which is the rifle that was found in the Texas School Book Depository Building on November 22, 1963, and I will ask you if you can construct out of these materials that we have here this rifle, and the blanket and the string something that resembles or duplicates the package that you saw in your garage?

Mr. Paine.

It seemed to me this end up here was not as bulky as the whole----

Mr. Redlich.

By "this end" what do you mean?

Mr. Paine.

"A", I have drawn as "A", was not as bulky as if I had wrapped it and pulled the blanket over.

Mr. Liebeler.

You are having difficulty in making it as small as when you remember it in the garage?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

We want you just to continue to work with it and take your time because we want you to be able to satisfy yourself to the fullest extent possible, on this question, one way or the other.

Mr. Paine.

It is getting fairly close but I don't know what he did with this end. This way of wrapping it seems to combine the functions. I also had a notion that it was somehow folded over but it seems too thick to do it that way.

Mr. Liebeler.

Now, you have wrapped the rifle in the blanket. I will ask you if this appears to be, this wrapped package appears to be similar to the one you saw in your garage?

Mr. Paine.

I should say quite big enough here.

Mr. Liebeler.

When you say this end, you are referring to the end marked "B" on the drawing, which in the package is the end, the butt end of the rifle, isn't that right?

Mr. Paine.

Yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

You say that end is too thick.

Mr. Paine.

As I have it wrapped.

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes; and you say in the center of the package in which we have the rifle wrapped you say that is not thick enough. But by thick enough do you mean the width or the actual thickness of the package?

Mr. Paine.

I thought of the package pretty much as all of the same thickness, calling the width from type calling the rifle and the scope of the rifle the width.

Mr. Liebeler.

The width?

Mr. Paine.

The width across the belt, the direction of the bolt as the thickness. So I thought of it as a more or less constant thickness of the package and not quite so--I would have to wrap it in some manner to move some of this bulk up into here, but I don't want to do it so much that I can't grab that feel of pipe.
That feels, it is quite a lot like it and there could almost have been two pipes there.