Mr. Ray.

was before he remembered me and then of course after he remembered me, well, he told me "Yeah, that's the guy."

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have any discussion with Bouhe as to whether or not Bouhe thought that Oswald was really guilty or really could have been the man who really did assassinate the President?

Mr. Ray.

He said something about that he was trying to figure out how Oswald could have been at that place at that time and another place at another time. He couldn't figure how Oswald could have been at all those places in that short length of time.

Mr. Liebeler.

Would you tell us to the best of your recollection what he said? Can you remember anything more than that? In other words, at this point Bouhe expressed some doubt with the stories?

Mr. Ray.

He expressed some doubt that in that way he could not figure how Oswald could have been in the building where the gun was fired and then later killed the policeman so many blocks away. I don't know how many blocks away it was and later apprehended in this----

Mr. Liebeler.

Texas Theatre.

Mr. Ray.

Movie theater. He was trying to figure out how he got from place to place in a short length of time. There seemed to be a little doubt in his mind at the time I talked to him.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he express any doubts as to Oswald's involvement based on his judgment of Oswald's character? Your wife testified and you did, too, to some extent that Bouhe was fed up with Oswald and did not think very much of him, didn't think him very capable or thought he was no account is the term your wife used. Did you have any discussion with Bouhe at this time when you talked to him on the phone?

Mr. Ray.

I don't know but there was something said about--now, George was trying to justify himself in his association with Oswald, see. He said something about that the only thing he was guilty of was trying to help the guy; do you know what I mean? He had tried to help the guy when he first came back and he said, "If that's a crime, I'm guilty." I remember that statement.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he express any concern as to his own safety or did he tell you that he thought he was going to have difficulty because of his previous association with Oswald?

Mr. Ray.

No; he didn't say a word about that.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you think his statements about being guilty of trying to help Oswald were just an attempt to justify himself in his own mind?

Mr. Ray.

I think so; yes.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you have any subsequent conversation? Have you told us all now you can remember in your telephone conversation with Bouhe?

Mr. Ray.

Well, he said it was all in the paper. "You can read it in the paper", said "It's all in there."

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember if he said anything else?

Mr. Ray.

I don't know it has been so long ago that I don't right now; I don't remember anything.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ever talk to Bouhe on the telephone again about that?

Mr. Ray.

About this deal?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes.

Mr. Ray.

No; that was the only time.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you see him at any time?

Mr. Ray.

Haven't seen him since then.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you talk to anybody else, or did you talk to anybody else that was at this party about this assassination?

Mr. Ray.

Saw the Harrises, Ed Harris and his wife. I haven't--now, that's the only two people we've seen. I think Mrs. Ford wrote Natalie a letter. I don't know what the letter said. I wasn't interested but anyway she had tried to get her on the telephone or something and we did discuss this thing in Georgetown not too long ago. I had a niece to get married down at Kerrville so we had to go down to the wedding and on the way back we stopped and spent a little time at the Harrises and that's---of course, we discussed it then.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you talk with the Harrises about this get-together at Meller's that occurred after the Ford party at which Oswald was discussed?