Mr. Jenner.

we thought well, the Oswalds all by themselves you know. It is Christmas time, we should take them out. For that period they were completely out of my mind you see. Then we decided to take them out, and I think it was in January after this party that we took them again to meet Everett Glover.

Mr. Jenner.

I will get to that in a moment.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I think actually there were two parties that we took them to. One at Ford's and the other at Everett Glover's. No, pardon me, I made a mistake. We took them also, both of them one afternoon, and I think it was still in the first period of us knowing them, to the house of Admiral Bruton who is a friend of ours, and a retired U.S. Admiral who works in Dallas and has; both he and his wife are good friends of ours. And they are very kind people.
Mrs. Bruton loves the children. She is a grandmother, and we told her that here we have that miserable couple with a child, could we bring them to the pool 1 day? And she said "fine, bring them along." And we brought them to the pool, and no sooner the admiral saw Oswald you know, and heard a few words from him, he said "take this guy away from me." This Bruton was quite a hero in the war you know, and he immediately sensed that Oswald was a revolutionary character you see, and no good. He sensed that, being a military man you see. I think he asked him a few questions "is it true that you were in the Marine Corps?" And Oswald made kind of a sour face about the Marine Corps. So it was very short and very unpleasant interview because the admiral left you know, and his wife, being a kind person, stayed there for a while you know, and then we took the Oswalds back again.

Mr. Jenner.

You never did use the pool?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. They never used the pool because I don't think Oswald liked swimming. And just recently I got a letter from Mrs. Bruton in Paris saying "is that the same man that you brought once to my house?" She has been reading the story of Oswald.

Mr. Jenner.

When you went over to pick up the Oswalds to take them to that Christmas party did you enter their home?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. It is just vague to me. I don't remember how we got them. Whether I did or my wife did--I do not recall how it was done.

Mr. Jenner.

I was going to ask you whether you noticed if they had a Christmas tree or any indication of celebration of Christmas?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I have some vague recollection of some kind of celebration but I do not recall.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever have any discussion with him as to whether he did or didn't believe in Christmas?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't remember. I assumed that he did not. Marina was naturally interested in Christmas.

Mr. JENNER. She was?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. She was.

Mr. Jenner.

Did the Oswalds, either together or separately, come to your home frequently or several times and spend the day with you?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. I was trying to pin down how many times we saw them in all, and it is very hard you know. I would say between 10 and 12 times, maybe more. It is very hard to say.
Usually they were together.

Mr. Jenner.

She come alone?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Sometimes she came alone; yes. I don't recall his coming all by himself. I don't recall any incident.

Mr. Jenner.

There was some testimony to the effect--I want you to pause before I ask you another question, exhaust your recollection on this.
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Were there occasions when they came in the morning and stayed all day?
Mr. DE MOHRENSCHILDT. Marina might have stayed all day you see, or 3 or 4 hours you see. My wife will remember, will have a better recollection of that, because I was at that time busy on three projects, and really my mind was on something else, you see.

Mr. Jenner.

Having exhausted your recollection, there is testimony to the