Mr. Liebeler.

for that matter, the reason why Oswald decided to leave the Soviet Union and return to the United States?

Mr. Gregory.

Well, let's see, I have brought up why he was dissatisfied. Well, of course, he didn't get enough food. That seemed to be one of his major things.
And evidently he lived fairly poorly over there. Then I am sure he went over there thinking this would be the heaven on earth, the workers' paradise, and he quickly found out that wasn't so. This might be a personal judgment on my part, but I think he felt that they are making a mess of things over there. Maybe he did believe in communistic principles which I don't believe he understood if he believed in them. But he felt that the present administration like the party boys and the people in power were just making a mess of things, that they didn't know what they were doing. He felt like, he said they were opportunistic. No; he never came out and said, "I left because so-and-so and so-and-so."

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he ever indicate a desire to have his children raised in the United States?

Mr. Gregory.

I can't remember if he did.

Mr. Liebeler.

You told us a moment ago that Oswald at one point told you how he had left the Soviet Union and gone through Poland and East Germany. I would like you to tell us everything you can remember about that.

Mr. Gregory.

I really can't remember anything specifically. I just asked him how he came out, and he said he was on the train, and something or other happened in Poland, I didn't quite understand it, where there was some incident in Poland where they bought something, or some person sold them something black market and--I can't remember it, but they never gave me a travelogue of their trip out of the Soviet Union.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you that he eventually went to some point in Holland and boarded a ship and came back to New York?

Mr. Gregory.

He did.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you have any recollection about that other than what I have just stated?

Mr. Gregory.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you how he got from his landing point in the United States to Texas?

Mr. Gregory.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he tell you where he landed in the United States?

Mr. Gregory.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you know that now?

Mr. Gregory.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did he ever indicate any dissatisfaction with the conditions here in the United States other than the ones that you previously indicated that he expressed? That is, that everyone seemed to be concerned about making money? Did he ever indicate that he thought particular institutions ought to be changed in any way?

Mr. Gregory.

No; his only objection that he ever voiced to me was about the money everyone was out for themselves, and evidently he never had much money, and I guess he felt persecuted on account of this. I remember one evening I gave him a tour of the town, and I took them to, you know, drove by all the big mansions. I figured they would be interested in seeing that, and it seems like there if he would really have any strong feelings, they would have come out then.
He said something about how horrible it is that here people are living in these big mansions, and I think just before that we had seen a bad part of town where the colored people lived, but he made no comment there. I think he just said, "Well, I never want to be rich like that."

Mr. Liebeler.

He indicated no particular animosity toward people of wealth and position?

Mr. Gregory.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Going back to his experience in the Soviet Union, did he ever tell you that he had ever been in the hospital there?

Mr. Gregory.

No.