Mr. Mamantov.

Put it this way--all of them have lower educational level than I do, except De Mohrenschildt.

Mr. Jenner.

De Mohrenschildt has a higher education, as you do?

Mr. Mamantov.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

Most of these other people have the qualifications or are interested in what?

Mr. Mamantov.

De Mohrenschildt has the same or a little bit low----

Mr. Jenner.

As yours?

Mr. Mamantov.

As mine. We are both geologists and might be called miners, and the Voshinins are the same.

Mr. Jenner.

Who else?

Mr. Mamantov.

Grigor'ev--this was the benefactor of that church. That's called Grigor'ev, he was the benefactor of that church. Voshinin, Bouhe, all of us were on the same educational level. The rest of them were below high-school education, especially like in Mr. Bouhe's case, he is an accountant, and a Latvian--Mrs. Grolle, G-r-o-l-l-e [spelling], and the first name is Emma. Now, who else was there now, an Estonian couple who are very active--Hartens, H-a-r-t- e-n-s [spelling], and his first name, I don't remember, but if you need it exactly, we take the telephone book--all of these names are in the telephone book. This group actually was very active in organizing.

Mr. Jenner.

Meller, M-e-l-l-e-r [spelling]?

Mr. Mamantov.

Yes; and Mrs. Meller--right, and the closest relationship is between her and Mr. Bouhe.

Mr. Jenner.

You mean there's a close relation between Mrs. Meller and Mr. Bouhe, they are close friends.

Mr. Mamantov.

Yes; closest of all this group because these people actually was the nucleous of those church workers or financial supporters. I was a worker for a while, but I didn't contribute money because we just came to Dallas and we didn't have enough to contribute, but Mr. Grigor'ev and Mr. Bouhe were the main financial supporters and through them, through all this group, I met Mr. De Mohrenschildt the first time.

Mr. Jenner.

Then, I'll ask you this general question--would you please state all you know about George De Mohrenschildt, and you are free, in making the statement, to give your impressions and take it as chronologically as you can, and I should say to you that this testimony is privileged. You are not subject, unless you have an evil heart and evil intent, to any litigation, that is, slander, libel, or otherwise.

Mr. Mamantov.

No; only I know about the man, like I told you, that we were being closer acquainted with him and his present wife.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Mamantov.

Because of his characteristics, of his frivolous life, his behavior in the presence of ladies---to us suspicious political trips supposedly related to his business and this is the extent I can say of him.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you told us everything you said to the FBI when you called them on the 22d of November before you were contacted by the Dallas office?

Mr. Mamantov.

I haven't told them anything except I know of the assassin and if I can be of service I would like to relate the knowledge I have.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, was there an occasion on which your mother-in-law, Mrs. Gravitis made some comment or gave an opinion to you, her opinion as to Lee Oswald with particular reference to his possible political leanings, and does that serve to refresh your recollection enough--I don't want to suggest the conversation to you.

Mr. Mamantov.

In relation to what?

Mr. Jenner.

In relation to Oswald, whether he was a Communist or what his political leanings were in her opinion?

Mr. Mamantov.

Well, on many occasions that came up, the conversation, after her conversations with Mrs. Paine, and after hearing through Mrs. Paine and my mother-in-law what he was saying and how he was opposed to our way of life and knowing that he came from that country, she and I stated that he is a Communist-- we didn't hesitate.

Mr. Jenner.

That was based upon the reports to you from your mother-in-law