Mr. Jenner.

All right, I will attempt my best to put her at ease, which I have tried to do with you.

Mr. Mamantov.

Oh, I am at ease as much as I can be. I'm trying to be, because the reasons I hesitate to say--"Yes, I remember." I don't remember in some cases, or maybe I remember, like when I translated with Mr. Martin over here, because in my mind it is very hard to separate right now without going back and reading the report.

Mr. Jenner.

Are you acquainted with a couple, Igor and Natalie Voshinin?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

They are friends of yours?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct; they are also friends of the De Mohrenschildts.

Mr. Jenner.

And have you had conversations with the Voshinins with respect to Mr. De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Mamantov.

Yes; and on quite a few occasions.

Mr. Jenner.

During any of those conversations was any reference made to a trip that De Mohrenschildt made or might have made to Mexico City, Mexico?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

When was that trip supposed to have taken place?

Mr. Mamantov.

I don't remember if it was in 1958 or 1959. I don't know. Mrs. Voshinin can tell you exactly the time.

Mr. Jenner.

All right, we intend to interrogate them as well. We will leave it to them.

Mr. Mamantov.

Right, but I heard from her, I mean, her statement to us was that De Mohrenschildt went to Mexico and met with the Soviet representatives and Mikoyan----

Mr. Jenner.

That's spelled M-i-k-o-y-a-n [spelling]?

Mr. Mamantov.

Yes--who was visiting at that time in Mexico. This, actually, if you will let me elaborate a little bit more on this---this mainly was my opinion of his politics, I mean, I had suspicioned, but this was actually what led me to believe or doubt his loyalty.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, you are speaking of De Mohrenschildt?

Mr. Mamantov.

Yes, sir; De Mohrenschildt.

Mr. Jenner.

Tell us your contacts with De Mohrenschildt; do they extend beyond what you have stated that he participated in the effort to organize the Eastern Orthodox Church?

Mr. Mamantov.

No, no; he did not participate.

Mr. Jenner.

He did not?

Mr. Mamantov.

He did not--he never was interested in church life, but I met him through that group, and Mr. Bouhe, who are the most active participants in organizing the church.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you please tell us what other Russian emigres of this group in Dallas participated in the effort to organize the church about which you have testified--yourself, Bouhe----

Mr. Mamantov.

No; I joined. This was done already by other people. We came in 1955---this already was going for a couple of years.

Mr. Jenner.

Who are reasonably regular attendants or at least persons interested?

Mr. Mamantov.

Mr. Bouhe---

Mr. Jenner.

Bouhe, yourself, your wife?

Mr. Mamantov.

My wife not so much--she is a Catholic.

Mr. Jenner.

I see.

Mr. Mamantov.

But she attended, and, of course, she did everything for the sake of her children who are Greek Orthodox, and then Mrs.---oh, gosh, what is her name Mrs. Zinzade, Z-i-n-z-a-d-e [spelling]. Her first name is Helen and his name is, I think, George, but I can look in the telephone book later on.

Mr. Jenner.

That's all right. Are all these people generally Russian intellectuals?

Mr. Mamantov.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, I call you an intellectual.

Mr. Mamantov.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

I meant to imply that.