Mr. Mamantov.

Well, I don't remember.

Mr. Jenner.

So, let me impel you from any thought I have a desire for you to testify one way or the other.

Mr. Mamantov.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

Because I don't--all I want you to do is to tell, as best you can, your recollection of what took place.

Mr. Mamantov.

No; I don't remember if she stated this or she didn't.

Mr. Jenner.

I do want to ask you this--you don't want to exclude by this testimony the possibility that she did, that is, that she testified or might have said at that time that she had entered the garage on an earlier occasion sometime during the day, that is, prior to the time the police arrived.

Mr. Mamantov.

No; I don't want to exclude it.

Mr. Jenner.

You just don't have enough recollection at the moment to testify one way or the other on that?

Mr. Mamantov.

That's correct.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, I noticed that you did say that Marina related the fact that she had seen the rifle in a disassembled condition?

Mr. Mamantov.

No; I didn't say so. I said, "Elongated package---she saw an elongated package," but I don't recall the size of the package, the size of the package she testified it was.

Mr. Jenner.

I think you did testify earlier that Marina remarked that she had seen the gun in sections?

Mr. Mamantov.

No, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Today?

Mr. Mamantov.

No, sir; you can read it back--I haven't.

Mr. Jenner.

Off the record.
(Discussion between Counsel Jenner and the Witness Mamantov off the record.)

Mr. Mamantov.

No, sir; you asked me the shape of the package she saw, and I related to you an elongated package and she opened one corner and she saw the stock of the gun so much--that I said--there so much--you asked me.

Mr. Jenner.

It's important, Miss Oliver, let's go back just so we will be certain of it and see if we can find it.
(At this point at the request of Counsel Jenner the reporter referred to previous testimony of the Witness Mamantov and reread the following:
("No, put it this way. I remember conversations somewhere along the line that he didn't return to her room. I remember also when she got up she was wondering that he didn't eat breakfast, apparently coffee was poured or prepared either by him or by her, which, I don't remember, and he didn't eat breakfast and this was after he left, we'll say, a few minutes.")

Mr. Jenner.

When the question was put to her as to why, she went to the garage to examine the package and what motivated her in that direction, what did she say?

Mr. Mamantov.

That, I don't remember. That is again coming to the point--I don't remember what time she saw--either she saw by herself or she saw during the time when police arrived.

Mr. Jenner.

But, in either event, whether she went there on her own prior to the time the police arrived and then again, if that's the way it was, when the police did arrive, what did she say when, as you have testified, she was asked why she went to the garage to examine the package, if she said anything?

Mr. Mamantov.

Yes. When police arrived they asked her specific questions about particular blanket.

Mr. Jenner.

What questions?

Mr. Mamantov.

If the blanket was in the shape she saw today in relation to the shape she saw last time. She said, "No, it has different shape."

Mr. Jenner.

Mr. Mamantov, did the police ask her right off the bat whether the package in the garage, the blanket package in the garage, had a different configuration, or did they first question her, for example, as to whether her husband owned a gun and whether she was aware of the fact that he did own a gun and whether she was aware of the fact the gun was in or about the premises of the Paine's--what was the sequence, as you recall?