Mrs. Murret.

Oh, yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Had you known him for some time before she married him?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

What was his business or occupation?

Mrs. Murret.

Well, Eddie worked for Smith. I think they are stevedores.

Mr. Jenner.

What did he do as a stevedore?

Mrs. Murret.

Well, I don't know what type of work he did. I think it was clerical work. I think he is still with the same people.

Mr. Jenner.

He is alive?

Mrs. Murret.

Oh, yes. I think it's T. B. Smith, or something like that. I don't know what the initials stand for.

Mr. Jenner.

T. as in Thomas?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And B. as in Benny?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

Smith?

Mrs. Murret.

Smith, yes.

Mr. Jenner.

And you think Edward John Pic is still employed by them?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes; he is--some kind of clerical work, as far as I know. The reason I know he is is because Mr. Murret, who works on the river, saw him out there, but it was from a distance.

Mr. Jenner.

Your husband works on the riverfront, does he?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Were you married to your husband before or after Marguerite married Edward John Pic?

Mrs. Murret.

I was already married.

Mr. Jenner.

You were already married then?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes, sir.

Mr. Jenner.

And your husband does have an acquaintance with Edward John Pic, does he?

Mrs. Murret.

Oh, no. He just maybe occasionally will see him from a distance, but he has never spoken with him. In fact, I don't think I would know Eddie Pic if I saw him on the street. That has been so long ago. I don't think I would recognize him myself. Eddie Pic was a very peculiar type of boy, you might say a person who did not talk unless you spoke to him, and they would come over to my home for dinner or something, and he would sit there all day long and he wouldn't say anything. Now, I don't know whether all of this is important. I don't guess some of it is.

Mr. Jenner.

Don't you worry about whether you think it is important or not, Mrs. Murret. We will decide that once we get all this information assembled. You just tell me what you know about all of this, anything that comes to your mind that you think might be important to the Commission in this investigation.

Mrs. Murret.

Well, at the beginning when she married Eddie, she said he wasn't fair. He told Marguerite that he was making more money than he was over there, and she had to go back to work. She worked for Mr. Sere. He was one of the lawyers in a law firm at that time, and Marguerite worked for him. It was the firm of Goldberg, Kammer and somebody else lawyers.

Mr. Jenner.

Was Sere a lawyer?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes; they were all lawyers. They were three lawyers together. He was secretary there at first, but then he became a lawyer too.

Mr. Jenner.

How do you spell his name?

Mrs. Murret.

Mr. Sere?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Murret.

S-E-R-E.

Mr. Jenner.

Is Mr. Sere still alive?

Mrs. Murret.

He is not.

Mr. Jenner.

He is dead?

Mrs. Murret.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. Just go ahead now with what you know about Marguerite's first marriage.

Mrs. Murret.

Well, the way I understood it, and this is only what she told