Mr. Evans.

Yes, he read; he read all the time. I mean, from what I noticed by him being around the apartment.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you notice any other traits about him that you wondered about, or that you thought unusual or strange?

Mr. Evans.

He seemed to be in deep thought a lot of times---always thinking. He was hard to get to.

Mr. Jenner.

He was hard to get to?

Mr. Evans.

Yes; that's right.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you ever feel that you ever got to know Lee Oswald, Mr. Evans.

Mr. Evans.

No; I can't say that I ever did. I don't think anybody did. I don't think anybody even came close to it, because the way he was nobody could figure him out. It was hard to get to him or to understand him. He didn't want you to get too close to him, for one thing. He never went out of his way to make friends, I mean, from what I knew of him.

Mr. Jenner.

He sort of shied away from friends, or people who might have become friends, or who might have tried to be friendly with him?

Mr. Evans.

Yes; that's it. You would try to be nice to him, but he wouldn't appreciate it, and he didn't mind showing you that he didn't appreciate it. My sister-in-law's children tried to be friendly with him when we had him across the take to their house. They asked him to go swimming with them, and everything, but he just wanted to be by himself. Finally, the kids got so that they just didn't pay any attention to him. Kids are like that, you know. If he wanted to be that way, that was all right with them. They just went ahead and enjoyed themselves, and to heck with him. They didn't let him bother them at all with the way he acted.

Mr. Jenner.

As I gather it, they tried, to be friendly with him, but when he wouldn't reciprocate, then they said, in effect, "OK, we won't be friendly; see if we care"; is that right?

Mr. Evans.

That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, when they lived at your apartment, the address was given there as 1454 and then later it was changed to 1452; what was that all about? Could you explain that?

Mr. Evans.

Well, there was nothing to that. They just moved, from upstairs to downstairs. We were remodeling the apartment upstairs, and so she moved downstairs, really next door, and when she found out that she wasn't going to be permitted by my wife to move back upstairs, that's when she got mad and left, but, really, Lee had become very noisy and loud, and we just decided that we would rather not have him back in that apartment for that reason--because he was actually disturbing everybody around there with his loudness. You could really tell when he was home.

Mr. Jenner.

You could?

Mr. Evans.

Oh, yes; in fact, Lee couldn't talk to his mother in a soft voice or a low voice; it was always a very loud, insolent voice, and it seemed like he got to raising his voice all the time, and he didn't seem to care who heard him or what he said. You knew he was home, all right.

Mr. Jenner.

Did some friction arise between Mrs. Evans, the landlady, and Mrs. Oswald about that time?

Mr. Evans.

Yes; it was about the apartment, and my wife told her that she just couldn't let her move back upstairs, and she didn't like that at all, and then she moved away.

Mr. Jenner.

Would you say that Lee was a very impervious fellow?

Mr. Evans.

Yes; I would say that. He had what I would call a foghorn voice, and he didn't seem to make any effort at all to control it. He would just blare out, and it did disturb others around the house. He had a good speaking voice, though; I will say that; very good.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, after this incident in which Marguerite took over other quarters and moved out with her son, when next did you hear about or have any contact with either Marguerite or Lee Oswald?

Mr. Evans.

When he came back there to look for an apartment.

Mr. Jenner.

That would have been last spring?

Mr. Evans.

Yes.