Mr. Voshinin.

too, from Professor Jitkoff, which is a very, very respectable family man, a very respectable anti-Communist. As anti-Communist as could be, you know. And they told us several times that George and Jeanne dropped in--which is not her name. Her name is Eugenia. But, you know she's French. That's her baptized name, you see.
But they may know perhaps with whom they are associated in Houston. There is a vague possibility of that--because that always sounded peculiar to us, that Houston trips. Well, I think these people they live on Locke Lane [spelling] L-o-c-k-e---in Houston.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, we can reach him if he is a professor at Rice Institute.

Mr. Voshinin.

Yeah. And they knew the De Mohrenschildts, of course, before we ever came here.

Mr. Jenner.

Anything else occur to you?

Mr. Voshinin.

Well, I also heard from her that she wanted to sell her fashions to the Soviets. And that they went to New York to the Soviet consulate and she was asking whether they can sell any fashions to them--but, as I understand, they say they turned them down, they are not interested. And that was just before their trip to Mexico City. So, there is a slight possibility--but this is just speculation on my part--that they probably tried the Soviet consulate in Mexico City also to sell them some fashions---though I don't know, but this is possible, you know. You know, most of the Russian immigrants, like us, you know, wouldn't deal with the Soviets at all.

Mr. Jenner.

You just don't want any part of them at all?

Mr. Voshinin.

We don't want any part of it. Our only dealings, you know, is going there to buy dictionaries--you know, and things like that. And that we would prefer not to do in the Soviet store in New York, but rather through an immigrant store who buys it from them, you know. But the De Mohrenschildts they wouldn't have any hesitation, you know.

Mr. Jenner.

Of going directly?

Mr. Voshinin.

Of going directly to deal with all of them, you know.

Mr. Jenner.

I would like to ask you about the Houston trips. Did the Houston trips take place during the years 1962 and 1963, up to the time----

Mr. Voshinin.

Up to their departure. That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

Up to the time the De Mohrenschildts left for Haiti?

Mr. Voshinin.

Uh-huh.

Mr. Jenner.

And it is your distinct recollection, which we can confirm, of course, or try to, that these periodic 4- to 5-week trips--a trip every 4 or 5 weeks to Houston, took place in 1962 and 1963, to the time they left, and even might have been prior to 1962?

Mr. Voshinin.

Well, yeah, they may; I don't know.

Mr. Jenner.

When did you and your wife become quite conscious of the fact that the De Mohrenschildts were making periodic trips to Houston?

Mr. Voshinin.

After Professor Jitkoff started complaining that the De Mohrenschildts became a nuisance.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. And that was when?

Mr. Voshinin.

And then we started recollecting about the De Mohrenschildts telling, "Oh, we have to go on business to Houston." So, that probably was late 1962.

Mr. Jenner.

All right.

Mr. Voshinin.

You see, we go to Houston usually two times a year to visit the Jitkoffs who are dear friends of ours.

Mr. Jenner.

Do you recall whether or not these trips to Houston were being made in September of 1963?

Mr. Voshinin.

In September of 1963, they were not here.

Mr. Jenner.

So, they weren't here then?

Mr. Voshinin.

No; they left--I don't know which month they left for Haiti---but I think they left way before September.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. Do you know whether either of the De Mohrenschildts had been in this country since they left Dallas in the spring of 1963?

Mr. Voshinin.

No; I don't.

Mr. Jenner.

You don't know whether they have or haven't been?