Mr. Jenner.

and the people here, her general level of erudition and education and intelligence in comparison with his?

Mrs. Voshinin.

No. Now, of course, what I'm saying is hearsay, right?

Mr. Jenner.

I appreciate that.

Mrs. Voshinin.

But several people said differently. For example, I heard from the ladies--from the Russian ladies of our parish that she was--you could see that she comes from an intelligent family, from a nice, you know, well-educated family. She has good manners and everything and she was quite a clever girl. Now, then, that she was sort of. I thought, more clever than he was. You know, some people who are more developed----

Mr. Jenner.

And more educated?

Mrs. Voshinin.

And more educated. Yes. While George insisted on just the opposite. He was absolutely impressed with Oswald's mental powers, for some reason. And he sort of looked down at Marina, you know, a little bit.
So, I really don't know what to think.

Mr. Jenner.

When was the last you heard from the De Mohrenschildts?

Mrs. Voshinin.

That was Christmas. We received a card from them.

Mr. Jenner.

1963?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Yes; it was in 1963.

Mr. Jenner.

And what contacts, if any, did you have with them prior to that time that is, while they were still in Haiti?

Mrs. Voshinin.

With the De Mohrenschildts before Christmas 1963?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Voshinin.

Well, she wrote me two letters; I wrote her one letter.

Mr. Jenner.

Have you had any contact with the children either of Mrs. De Mohrenschildt or of Mr. De Mohrenschildt---recently?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Well, we were visited by her daughter--by Chris--twice.
Once it was before Christmas and----

Mr. Jenner.

But after November 22?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Yes. Right. It was about 3 weeks before Christmas, I believe, or 2 weeks. And now they were recently here, just--they left on March 15. They left Dallas.

Mr. Jenner.

Did they say anything during the course of this social visit, or visit here, about the De Mohrenschildts-- George and Jeanne or Jean or Eugene?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Well, Eugenia is right. You know they said so much, I just hate to repeat it because I just don't know how much they exaggerate. They were angry with both of them and I just don't believe that----

Mr. Jenner.

Well, I don't want you to repeat all the personal things. I wanted your overall impression, which you have now volunteered, that they were angry with George De Mohrenschildt and Mrs. De Mohrenschildt.

Mrs. Voshinin.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

Angry in what sense?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Uh--they said that they were not very hospitable for one thing and, for another things, they--well, they said that George and Jeanne took a turn for the worse politically.

Mr. Jenner.

Well, now, would you develop that, please?

Mrs. Voshinin.

I hate to do that because I just don't know how true it all is.

Mr. Jenner.

I understand that all you are doing is telling us what they said. It is pure hearsay. I understand.

Mrs. Voshinin.

Pure hearsay of angry children.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Voshinin.

That's what it is. Right?
Well, they said that the majority of their trouble with Jennne and George was because they were shooting their mouths off there pro-left and against United States--something to that effect; Chris said that George was making the most--the funniest accusations--statements in public, you know, like at cocktail parties, for example.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes.

Mrs. Voshinin.

That he does not believe that Oswald murdered the President; that he believes that rightwing or FBI, I am not sure and this was, of course, awfully shocking to children.

Mr. Jenner.

He believed that the rightwing or the FBI what?