Mr. Jenner.

You didn't know?

Mrs. Voshinin.

I didn't know.
(Off-the-record discussion follows.)

Mr. Jenner.

Now, we have inquired of Mr. Voshinin about the famous walking trip of the De Mohrenschildts from the border of Mexico and the United States to Panama.

Mrs. Voshinin.

Yes; uh-huh.

Mr. Jenner.

Did he make such a trip?

Mrs. Voshinin.

He says he did--and he brought some films and some photo pictures--photographs and moving films, and on the moving film there was that volcano eruption, you know--so I assume that he did make the trip.

Mr. Jenner.

Did you receive any cards from them as they wended their way down?

Mrs. Voshinin.

No; we were not on speaking terms with them.

Mr. Jenner.

Oh, this is the period when you were not friendly?

Mrs. Voshinin.

No.

Mr. Jenner.

And afterward, when they got back----

Mrs. Voshinin.

We met them at Ballens.

Mr. Jenner.

And some of the friendship was restored?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Right. That's right.

Mr. Jenner.

And you did see moving pictures of----

Mrs. Voshinin.

Yes; of their jungle life.

Mr. Jenner.

Jungle life, and in those moving pictures, were there pictures of Mrs. De Mohrenschildt included?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Yes; but, of course, it was either he or she because one of them was taking pictures.

Mr. Jenner.

Yes. But you saw representations in the movie film of him----

Mrs. Voshinin.

Yes.

Mr. Jenner.

When she was taking the picture or you assumed she was; and you saw also her----

Mrs. Voshinin.

Right.

Mr. Jenner.

In the moving film when he was taking, or you assumed?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Right; uh-huh.

Mr. Jenner.

Now, you mentioned a volcano erupting. That drew your attention to a particular incident, did it?

Mrs. Voshinin.

No; it did not. It only--you know what I was actually wondering, for no reason at all, asking myself whether those pictures could have been taken elsewhere but in Mexico, you know. But, then, when I saw the volcano eruption, it sort of proved it, you know. Because I just couldn't imagine that people would walk all that distance.

Mr. Jenner.

The volcano eruption--did that sequence of frames in the movie strip, did it include pictures of Mrs. De Mohrenschildt?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Yes; she was standing right at the flowing lava. It was a very beautiful picture.

Mr. Jenner.

And did the movie film also show him in that area?

Mrs. Voshinin.

No; Uh-uh.

Mr. Jenner.

Did they say where the volcano was?

Mrs. Voshinin.

I am not sure they said where it was.

Mr. Jenner.

Yucatan?

Mrs. Voshinin.

I don't think it was Yucatan. No.

Mr. Jenner.

What is your beet recollection?

Mrs. Voshinin.

Somewhere near Parikutin, I believe. Somewhere there.

Mr. Jenner.

Spell that, please.

Mrs. Voshinin.

[Spelling] P-a-r-i-k-u-t-i-n--because this is one of the recently erupted volcanoes in Mexico--Parikutin.

Mr. Jenner.

All right. When was this event--the walking trip from the border to Panama?

Mrs. Voshinin.

I don't know. Chronologically, you mean, when was this?

Mr. Jenner.

Well, give me the time, first, the year--as you best recall now.

Mrs. Voshinin.

I really cannot do that. Because it was in 1959 that Khrushchev came to this country, right?

Mr. Jenner.

Yes. I believe so.