Mrs. Ray.

lonely girl living in this country and I liked her very much and wanted to help any way I could, and I was----

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you think Marina was a particularly intelligent person?

Mrs. Ray.

At first I did not because I knew her so short--I mean it was a short time. At the time I thought she was just quiet and a very nice little girl and I thought she was smart but I did not think she was extremely intelligent, but since that time I think she is quite intelligent girl. I think she knows what she is doing.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you think she was immature?

Mrs. Ray.

Well, immature I did at first, I thought she was little immature.

Mr. Liebeler.

A little immature?

Mrs. Ray.

Yes; then I forget just how young she is. I was probably just as immature as she is right now. It is quite a changeover come over to another country. In your own country might not be considered immature but over here without speaking English and not knowing a lot of things, people might consider you immature where you really not.

Mr. Libeler.

How many times have you seen Marina since the assassination?

Mrs. Ray.

First time she came over my house I kept baby at my house when she had to go down for questioning.

Mr. Liebeler.

Do you remember when this was?

Mrs. Ray.

In February, I am not sure about dates.

Mr. Liebeler.

Was that before she went to Washington?

Mrs. Ray.

No; she was already staying at Mrs. Ford's house. This was after she moved in with Mrs. Ford. She brought little baby over and I took care of youngest one, Rachel, and I went over there about 5 days later and babysat for all children, Mrs. Ford's child and they all have to go down to see lawyer; I believe Mr. McKenzie at the time.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you ever met Mr. McKenzie?

Mrs. Ray.

No. Then I went to see Marina's house after she rented one in Richardson, then I went over to take her shopping and then went over and took Mr. George Bouhe with me one day. Then I went over one more time and that was last time.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you talk to Marina at all about the assassination?

Mrs. Ray.

You know, I felt very uncomfortable asking all those questions.

Mr. Liebeler.

You did speak to her about it?

Mrs. Ray.

I did ask her and I said "Do you really think he did it?" And she says "Well, I think so" and I said "Well, do the children miss him? She said "No, she doesn't even--June doesn't even remember him." And then I asked if she was lonely. She said "Of course, I am" and that is about the only thing. I talked about mostly her personal things not about the assassination because, I don't know, it just seems I hated to bring up the subject. I think it is a tragic thing. I thought if she wanted to volunteer something, of course, I would be happy to talk to her about it but she did not and I really did not ask.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did she tell you why she thought Oswald did it?

Mrs. Ray.

No; we did not go into that so much. I just ask her if she thought he did it and she said "Yes, I think he did do it."

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you ask her how she had been treated by the Secret Service and FBI?

Mrs. Ray.

She said wonderful and everyone perfect and I say same, everyone came to my house, they were very nice people.

Mr. Liebeler.

Have you read in the pairs since the assassination a story to the effect that Oswald wanted to make an attempt on the life of Richard Nixon?

Mrs. Ray.

In the papers?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes.

Mrs. Ray.

Richard Nixon?

Mr. Liebeler.

Yes.

Mrs. Ray.

No.

Mr. Liebeler.

Did you discuss that with Marina at all?

Mrs. Ray.

I did not even know about that. That is one I missed on Richard Nixon. I did not know it.

Mr. Liebeler.

The story was not that he had actually done so, that he wanted to do so and got into a discussion with Marina about it.